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Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by dorchadas » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:26 PM UTC

strict9 wrote: post #16

After 15 years of not eating meat, the past 1-2 years have been a golden era of vegetarian options in the grocery store, restaurants, and fast food. Based on anecdotes and my social circles, the number of people completely avoiding meat hasn't changed. But omnivores adopting a semi-veg lifestyle has increased. If I had to pick one thing, I'd say environmental concerns are the main reason my omnivore friends and colle…

I'm doing the semi-veg lifestyle. Trying to avoid meat more days than not. It was totally environmentally based for me. I want to transition to full veg, but need to work on my prepping skills and planning better.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by mattl » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:28 PM UTC

dorchadas wrote: post #121

strict9 wrote: post #16

After 15 years of not eating meat, the past 1-2 years have been a golden era of vegetarian options in the grocery store, restaurants, and fast food. Based on anecdotes and my social circles, the number of people completely avoiding meat hasn't changed. But omnivores adopting a semi-veg lifestyle has increased. If I had to pick one thing, I'd say environmental concerns are the main reason my omnivore friends and colle…

I'm doing the semi-veg lifestyle. Trying to avoid meat more days than not. It was totally environmentally based for me. I want to transition to full veg, but need to work on my prepping skills and planning better.

Is semi-veg, semi-vegetarian or semi-vegan?

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by _bfhp » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:28 PM UTC

Iv wrote: post #44

strict9 wrote: post #16

After 15 years of not eating meat, the past 1-2 years have been a golden era of vegetarian options in the grocery store, restaurants, and fast food. Based on anecdotes and my social circles, the number of people completely avoiding meat hasn't changed. But omnivores adopting a semi-veg lifestyle has increased. If I had to pick one thing, I'd say environmental concerns are the main reason my omnivore friends and colle…

For me that's a mix of ethical and environmental concerns. I agree that there is a point in the belief that it is unethical to kill animals. That's not the most unethical thing that is happening in the world, there are a lot of things to argue about, but in general, I agree that in an ideal world, we should not do that. The environmental concerns, I only buy half-heartedly. I don't really believe that land-owners wil…

I find the ethical-philosophical side of it interesting. In the philosophy of ethics, thought experiments can be helpful (or puzzling), like the trolley problem or the Categorical Imperative. So:

Imagine if a wizard finished casting a very complicated and resource-intensive spell and the result is that every living cow, pig, chicken and turkey in the meat industry were replaced with a clone of a dog you've met. In the thousands of crowded compound pens, the millions of tiny cages, on the assembly lines facing captive bolt pistols like the one from No Country for Old Men-- there is now that dog. In that moment, what would be an example of something happening that is more unethical? Of course the answer would be different for each person; some people would have the point that we can't compare apples to oranges. For me I find it hard to imagine a war or a process of exploitation in 2019 that measures up.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by Fogest » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:28 PM UTC

erikpukinskis wrote: post #64

Fogest wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends, many places I've been you can get a falafel based meal to be made vegan, but typically they will include sauces not vegan, thus they are vegetarian meals by default. Not hard to swap the sauce to make it vegan though.

I don’t know about “typical”... the traditional sauce to put on falafel is tahini sauce which is vegan. Some Greek places put yogurt instead of tahini which is not vegan, but I wouldn’t call that typical. I would call it a “too common aberration” and “a reason not to eat Greek falafel”.

The majority of places I have been put more than a single sauce. I've found mediterranean places love their sauces and it's something you usually get a lot of.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by nicoburns » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:32 PM UTC

Iv wrote: post #44

strict9 wrote: post #16

After 15 years of not eating meat, the past 1-2 years have been a golden era of vegetarian options in the grocery store, restaurants, and fast food. Based on anecdotes and my social circles, the number of people completely avoiding meat hasn't changed. But omnivores adopting a semi-veg lifestyle has increased. If I had to pick one thing, I'd say environmental concerns are the main reason my omnivore friends and colle…

For me that's a mix of ethical and environmental concerns. I agree that there is a point in the belief that it is unethical to kill animals. That's not the most unethical thing that is happening in the world, there are a lot of things to argue about, but in general, I agree that in an ideal world, we should not do that. The environmental concerns, I only buy half-heartedly. I don't really believe that land-owners wil…

> It is just not practical for me to go full-veg, where I live I would need to cook one hour a day for it,

Why does eating meat mean you can cook less?

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by mattl » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:33 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #109

How much of this is changing eating pasterns, and how much of this is the re-labeling of foods? "Vegan" is no doubt now a sales point, but many vegan foods have been eaten for centuries without that label attached. Slapping the sticker on them now doesn't mean that anything has changed beyond how we do the count. I also question the "vegan" label itself. Exactly what type of vegan are they talking about? Veganism isn…

Generally vegan meats meat-fish-seafood-and-dairy-free when you see it on a generic packaging or restaurant.

Kosher at least in the US usually comes with a symbol and you know the ones that are legit (Orthodox Union is the most common in the US, the (U) symbol Ⓤ)

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by Woberto » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:35 PM UTC

Iv wrote: post #44

strict9 wrote: post #16

After 15 years of not eating meat, the past 1-2 years have been a golden era of vegetarian options in the grocery store, restaurants, and fast food. Based on anecdotes and my social circles, the number of people completely avoiding meat hasn't changed. But omnivores adopting a semi-veg lifestyle has increased. If I had to pick one thing, I'd say environmental concerns are the main reason my omnivore friends and colle…

For me that's a mix of ethical and environmental concerns. I agree that there is a point in the belief that it is unethical to kill animals. That's not the most unethical thing that is happening in the world, there are a lot of things to argue about, but in general, I agree that in an ideal world, we should not do that. The environmental concerns, I only buy half-heartedly. I don't really believe that land-owners wil…

Even without new vegetarian options at grocery stores, I've been okay with cooking once a week for 2 or 3 hours. Breakfast is an egg casserole/quiche with veggies and chorizo spices or hashbrown. Lunch and dinner might be a lentil "meat"loaf, bean chili, or Indian style meals which are typically vegan. Lots of easy recipe options here, but it does help that I don't mind repeating meals for a week.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by goatinaboat » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:36 PM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #46

strict9 wrote: post #16

After 15 years of not eating meat, the past 1-2 years have been a golden era of vegetarian options in the grocery store, restaurants, and fast food. Based on anecdotes and my social circles, the number of people completely avoiding meat hasn't changed. But omnivores adopting a semi-veg lifestyle has increased. If I had to pick one thing, I'd say environmental concerns are the main reason my omnivore friends and colle…

At least in London, there has been a big uptick in veganism in the last year or so. Helped by mainstream supermarkets and restuarants adding vegan options en mass.

London was also the epicentre of Atkins, eating lots of meat at every meal. It can change overnight. You can’t extrapolate from London whimsy to any long term trend.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by YinglingLight » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:38 PM UTC

strict9 wrote: post #16

After 15 years of not eating meat, the past 1-2 years have been a golden era of vegetarian options in the grocery store, restaurants, and fast food. Based on anecdotes and my social circles, the number of people completely avoiding meat hasn't changed. But omnivores adopting a semi-veg lifestyle has increased. If I had to pick one thing, I'd say environmental concerns are the main reason my omnivore friends and colle…

If you're in Canada, it's 100% due to meat prices yet rationalized by ethical or environmental concerns.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by coldpie » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:38 PM UTC

gwbas1c wrote: post #91

strict9 wrote: post #16

After 15 years of not eating meat, the past 1-2 years have been a golden era of vegetarian options in the grocery store, restaurants, and fast food. Based on anecdotes and my social circles, the number of people completely avoiding meat hasn't changed. But omnivores adopting a semi-veg lifestyle has increased. If I had to pick one thing, I'd say environmental concerns are the main reason my omnivore friends and colle…

My stomach, ect, feel better when I eat less meat. But: I rarely order vegan in a restaurant. I find it's much easier to do vegan at home. Why? Mostly food safety and storage. After cooking vegan for a few weeks, when I cooked meat, I realized just how much of a pain in the *$$ maintaining food safety is.

> ect

I keep seeing this. Where are people picking this up from?