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Re: Mainlanders don't all view Hong Kong the same way

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Post by 5etho » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:01 PM UTC

apexalpha wrote: post #42

dumbfoundded wrote: post #9

Just an anecdote. I went to Beijing to watch the Olympics while I was in high school. During a volleyball game, I sat next to a local Chinese boy about my age and started talking with him. Apparently, at some Chinese schools, they give all of the students an English name. Kind of like how American schools give you a Spanish name for Spanish class. His name was Adolf. I asked him if he knew any other famous Adolf's. O…

>Apparently, at some Chinese schools, they give all of the students an English name. Kind of like how American schools give you a Spanish name for Spanish class. His name was Adolf. I asked him if he knew any other famous Adolf's. Of course, he did. I spent some time teaching English at a Chinese university and this just brought me back. You see you can't just make up new words in Chinese like you can in Latin based…

This adolf hitler kid got me good, it was some rular area? Do this kid have any grasp of western culture?

Re: Mainlanders don't all view Hong Kong the same way

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Post by joyeuse6701 » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:03 PM UTC

codeswap wrote: post #65

dumbfoundded wrote: post #9

Just an anecdote. I went to Beijing to watch the Olympics while I was in high school. During a volleyball game, I sat next to a local Chinese boy about my age and started talking with him. Apparently, at some Chinese schools, they give all of the students an English name. Kind of like how American schools give you a Spanish name for Spanish class. His name was Adolf. I asked him if he knew any other famous Adolf's. O…

You have to take into account that Japan was the ISIS of Asia. Bayoneting babies, sex slave, medical experiments on humans. In South Korea still dislike of Japan is greater than North Korea. And Japan is got off mostly free after ww2 unlike the German trials

Sure, there were no public trials to provide a catharsis for the crimes against humanity, still though, two atomic bombs on major cities vaporizing babies, men and women alike doesn't sound like 'mostly free'.

Re: Mainlanders don't all view Hong Kong the same way

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Post by Aperocky » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:22 PM UTC

There are some extremely strong prejudice and discrimination against people from mainland, it's similar to racism. mainland Chinese people didn't know this in the past however the past few years it became much more pronounced, this is especially true among the poorer people in HK. People who visited Hong Kong came back with very negative experience and words spread fast. There's next to 0 sympathy to Hong Kong in mainland today, if the PLA rolled in to quell the protest, half would probably cheer.

Re: Mainlanders don't all view Hong Kong the same way

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Post by apexalpha » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 3:25 PM UTC

5etho wrote: post #71

apexalpha wrote: post #42

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>Apparently, at some Chinese schools, they give all of the students an English name. Kind of like how American schools give you a Spanish name for Spanish class. His name was Adolf. I asked him if he knew any other famous Adolf's. Of course, he did. I spent some time teaching English at a Chinese university and this just brought me back. You see you can't just make up new words in Chinese like you can in Latin based…

This adolf hitler kid got me good, it was some rular area? Do this kid have any grasp of western culture?

Sichuan, Chengdu. Not rural but inland. Their grasp of Western culture came mostly from Hollywood, Music, Basketball and the news.

I actually debated it with other English teachers and some also had Adolf Hitler in their classes. So they might just be trolling their teacher, but many sincerely don't have the same ideas as Western people. They know Hitler because it is mentioned in History classes during WW2. But they definitely don't see him as the apex figure of all evil like people in the West.

Re: Mainlanders don't all view Hong Kong the same way

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Post by scohesc » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 4:03 PM UTC

joyeuse6701 wrote: post #72

codeswap wrote: post #65

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You have to take into account that Japan was the ISIS of Asia. Bayoneting babies, sex slave, medical experiments on humans. In South Korea still dislike of Japan is greater than North Korea. And Japan is got off mostly free after ww2 unlike the German trials

Sure, there were no public trials to provide a catharsis for the crimes against humanity, still though, two atomic bombs on major cities vaporizing babies, men and women alike doesn't sound like 'mostly free'.

Sometimes you just have to send a very strongly worded message in the form of nuclear fallout in order to get the point across. I don't think the Japanese would have given up as easily if a not insignificant portion of their country wasn't turned to glass in an instant.

Re: Mainlanders don't all view Hong Kong the same way

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Post by turk73 » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

codeswap wrote: post #65

dumbfoundded wrote: post #9

Just an anecdote. I went to Beijing to watch the Olympics while I was in high school. During a volleyball game, I sat next to a local Chinese boy about my age and started talking with him. Apparently, at some Chinese schools, they give all of the students an English name. Kind of like how American schools give you a Spanish name for Spanish class. His name was Adolf. I asked him if he knew any other famous Adolf's. O…

You have to take into account that Japan was the ISIS of Asia. Bayoneting babies, sex slave, medical experiments on humans. In South Korea still dislike of Japan is greater than North Korea. And Japan is got off mostly free after ww2 unlike the German trials

Pretty sure Japan received enough punishment for its actions back then. It was a brutal war.

Interesting historical note: Just after Japan surrendered, the British re-armed their Japanese prisoners in French Indochina (today's Viet Nam, etc) to fight the Viet Mihn. So the baby-bayonetters fought alongside British troops they had recently fought against in Burma. The Japanese troops gave a good account of themselves, too.

Re: Mainlanders don't all view Hong Kong the same way

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Post by dumbfoundded » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 7:24 PM UTC

scohesc wrote: post #75

joyeuse6701 wrote: post #72

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Sure, there were no public trials to provide a catharsis for the crimes against humanity, still though, two atomic bombs on major cities vaporizing babies, men and women alike doesn't sound like 'mostly free'.

Sometimes you just have to send a very strongly worded message in the form of nuclear fallout in order to get the point across. I don't think the Japanese would have given up as easily if a not insignificant portion of their country wasn't turned to glass in an instant.

Yeah, and it took 2 nukes! Plus the firebombing which killed just as many people.

Re: Mainlanders don't all view Hong Kong the same way

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Post by chrischen » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 7:49 PM UTC

Nasrudith wrote: post #70

chrischen wrote: post #33

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Democracy is fair, not efficient.

That is hilarious given the lack of efficency of every alternative seen so far. The trains running on time is a myth - because the time they arrive is defined as "on time" all while denying reality.

Almost all companies are governed by dictatorships.

Re: Mainlanders don't all view Hong Kong the same way

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Post by kccqzy » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 8:05 PM UTC

keiferski wrote: post #34

kccqzy wrote: post #26

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The protests did start because of the extradition bill, but the bill has been dead for more than a month[0], yet the protests have not stopped. Can you see that the protestors are protesting about something else now? If the bill were the protesters' goal, they had already succeeded. The situation is so much more complicated than just an ill-conceived bill. It doesn't help things when media (or other people) try to si…

There seems to be a distinction between "withdrawn" and "dead." Although the bill has not been formally withdrawn, on 9 July, Hong Kong's chief executive Carrie Lam said she has stopped the amendment process and reiterated there is 'no plan' to restart this process in the Legislative Council, stating: "the bill is dead". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_extradition_bil...

The U.S. Senate has killed many bills from the House not by voting on them and the bills failed to pass, but by not bringing them up for a vote. It's just procedural.

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Post by keiferski » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 8:27 PM UTC

kccqzy wrote: post #79

keiferski wrote: post #34

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There seems to be a distinction between "withdrawn" and "dead." Although the bill has not been formally withdrawn, on 9 July, Hong Kong's chief executive Carrie Lam said she has stopped the amendment process and reiterated there is 'no plan' to restart this process in the Legislative Council, stating: "the bill is dead". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_extradition_bil...

The U.S. Senate has killed many bills from the House not by voting on them and the bills failed to pass, but by not bringing them up for a vote. It's just procedural.

The U.S. senate isn’t run in the background by a totalitarian state.