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Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by deskamess »

fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

I generally start with Firefox but recently needed to switch to Chrome for JS debugging. There were errors and they simply did not show in the FF console, and whole script tags of inline/embedded javascript was not to be found anywhere I spent 20-30 minutes mucking around looking here and there, and finally switched to Chrome and was done in a few minutes.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by [deleted] »

tbassetto wrote: post #34
lovetocode wrote: post #27

Did they fix the memory bloat on Mac OS? It’s pretty much useless to me on MacOS.

I saw a tweet recently about macOS power consumption fixes: https://mobile.twitter.com/pcwalton/status/11661937700160798... Haven't noticed any memory bloat myself though (= it consumes a lot of memory, like any browsers). It's somewhere between Safari and Chrome.

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Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by minedwiz »

nocture wrote: post #88

Worth noting, this landed a patch that moves some of the UI work to Core Animation on MacOS[1]. More work will happen that builds on top of this, but some reports in that ticket are promising already. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522

Finally

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by ziegeer »

ihuman wrote: post #78
konart wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dev edtition gets the last nightly build two weeks before the same release hits Beta channel. One of the main changes for me as a Mac user is this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522#c32

Does this mean Firefox won't always be the "apps using significant energy" list?

Web browsers are basically the new higher-level operating system. They likely should be using more energy than anything else considering how much we run in them.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by rkagerer »

mdip wrote: post #64
fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

As others have pointed out, it may be worth looking into whether or not your reasons for using Chromium for the devtools are simply habit. Speaking for myself, I'm in the other camp. I never really ditched Firefox for Chrome except for a brief period[0]. I returned to Firefox back when it was still called "Firefox (Not Responding)". Other than the renaming (/s), it -- generally -- flies. The devtools do what I need t…

I tried for the last several weeks to switch to Firefox ("normal" edition) after Google introduced new mechanics pushing account login, but ultimately, and disappointingly, found myself drifting back to Chrome.

Main reasons were speed (Firefox opened slightly slower, and there seemed to feel like subtly more per-character latency typing in URL's) and minor anti-native behavior (the default-disabled-until-you-move-your-mouse Save button was particularly annoying, even though I understand the rationale).

I got the dreaded "Firefox process is already running" dialog a few times and had to close all my windows (ugh). I really missed Session Buddy; tried alternatives like Tree Style Tab but they weren't as clean.

Finally, one or two pages didn't render / operate properly (guessing due to non-cross-compatible JavaScript statement buried somewhere in them).

Unfortunately I don't have the time to create good step-by-step reproducibles and log bugs. I know some of this can be tweaked out via preference settings. I even spent some time tailoring my userChrome.css per suggestions here. But just couldn't get everything to work quite perfect. FF will have to spend some more time as my secondary browser, may give it a shot again in another year or so or next time Google pedals something stupid. Will try out the new devtools when I'm working on a page, maybe that'll be the hook for another attempt.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by lizzard »

wlesieutre wrote: post #66
Kuinox wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, i'm using the developer edition and got the update only this morning. But I don't know if something have changed...

Today updated to 70.b1, according to the About Firefox Developer Edition window. It has a "What's new" link next to the version number, but it links to a 404: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/70.0beta/releasenotes EDIT - I put in a bug report on the release notes link, response says that release notes will come out next week

Hi there. You can also refer to the 70 nightly notes at https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/70.0a1/releasenotes/ for now.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by GeekyBear »

nocture wrote: post #88

Worth noting, this landed a patch that moves some of the UI work to Core Animation on MacOS[1]. More work will happen that builds on top of this, but some reports in that ticket are promising already. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522

Moving from OpenGL to Core Animation has required a huge amount of work, but even at this early stage (before many of the changes in progress land) the power savings and performance gains are already significant.

Good work, and much appreciated!

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by Paul-ish »

duxup wrote: post #86
Paul-ish wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The selection of the article itself is sufficient to add spin.

I don't think I understand.

Say Google makes a significant change to their ToS. If you link to the ToS, the title will be "Google ToS". So instead you are left with the option of linking to a Guardian/buzzfeed/wired blog post that is mostly fluff, doesn't include the actual ToS text in context, and has a hyperbolic headline. Which article you chose to post determines the spin.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by duxup »

Paul-ish wrote: post #98
duxup wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I understand.

Say Google makes a significant change to their ToS. If you link to the ToS, the title will be "Google ToS". So instead you are left with the option of linking to a Guardian/buzzfeed/wired blog post that is mostly fluff, doesn't include the actual ToS text in context, and has a hyperbolic headline. Which article you chose to post determines the spin.

I don't think just listing a product page or a ToS is "spin". Product pages my be there to talk up their product but we know that.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by t34543 »

SquareWheel wrote: post #25
archie2 wrote: post #21

Has there been a significant update to the devtools recently? I've been a devedition user for years, odd to see it on the front page of HN just linking to the homepage..

This is why I dislike these software posts without context. It's never clear if there's been an update or if the submitter just discovered them for the first time.

That’s why I come to the comments first for these posts. I believe the forum is working as designed.
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