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YouTube should stop recommending garbage videos to users

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Re: YouTube should stop recommending garbage videos to users

#52
I use my current YouTube account for two and a half years. In this time period I clicked "Not interested" in the right sidebar with suggestions around 3000 times - very many times, and I keep clicking it. Due to this huge effort, when I watch videos of my interest scope, I mostly receive good suggestions and I'm satisfied with the suggestion system; however when I occasionally watch something unusual to me, I do receive bad suggestions and I keep clicking "Not interested". But already for a year I have not been suggested any "TOP 10 LIFEHACKS", reaction videos of obnoxious clowns, no previews with useless arrows and circles, O-faces, social experiments and pop-music from YouTube's Trending. Whenever I sometimes open YouTube from another computer, I fall into such deep disgust that my face expression twists. Another thing not related to this: I still use old YouTube's theme, it's faster and looks better than this modern "polymer" for touchscreens.

Re: YouTube should stop recommending garbage videos to users

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Playlists can be semantically different things. They can be "top 50 songs of 2018" or they can be "history of WW2 parts 1-50". It might make sense to recommend more than one video fron the first kind of playlist, but not the second.

How does that invalidate the argument for giving control over this functionality to the user?

It doesn't. Being able to deal with different kinds of playlist would be good either way, whether YouTube controlled everything for you or some customization was possible by end users.

Re: YouTube should stop recommending garbage videos to users

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post #25

This article has a catchy title, but is absolutely terrible. Curated human recommendations and/or "YouTube staffers should think like journalists" are both two of the worst ideas for the internet I've heard in quite a long time. They don't reduce bias by any significant amount consistently (and I suspect the authors know this), and thinking of a platform where millions of seperate people upload ungodly amounts of con…

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Re: YouTube should stop recommending garbage videos to users

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post #42

We don't need human-curated Youtube, we need to give more control to users. The annoying thing about Youtube is that many of the problems I have with their algorithm could very, very easily be solved if the designers gave up their relentless mantra of "never ask the user anything directly." I watch playlists and LetsPlays, and occasionally my homepage will just turn into a massive wall of recommendations from the sam…

Playlists can be semantically different things. They can be "top 50 songs of 2018" or they can be "history of WW2 parts 1-50". It might make sense to recommend more than one video fron the first kind of playlist, but not the second.

You're absolutely correct, and that distinction is why the problem is so hard to solve algorithmically. The addition of the angle, "never ask the user to categorize something, always intuit it", is what makes this a hard problem.

Youtube doesn't know which types of playlists I use, but I do. They're wasting computing time and my time to try and guess the behavior I want, when I could just tell them what behavior I want.

Re: YouTube should stop recommending garbage videos to users

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post #46

I don’t even buy the reasoning that the recommendations are somehow “personalized,” because they don’t seem to be... At all. I have never watched a political video on YouTube, or really anything unrelated to music or computer science, yet my “recommended videos” are always full of Ben Shapiro and his ilk. It’s easier to find relevant videos by doing a regular Google search, which is a little ironic.

You can generally avoid political talk shows by clicking the not interested button. They still bubble up, especially if you watch general interest videos that have primarily male audiences.

"Not interested" seems to work just for a little while. They will come back eventually...

Re: YouTube should stop recommending garbage videos to users

#58
I hate the recommend algorithms they use. If I get interested in a particular topic for a few hours, or watch, in a whim, a video I would normally have no interest in (a pop music video for instance), I don't want to see and endless series of videos in the same category.

It's bad enough that I had to log my AppleTV's YouTube app out, because children. My Recommend page would be overloaded with Fortnight, PubG, and RDR videos. That I could understand at least.

Re: YouTube should stop recommending garbage videos to users

#59
post #25

This article has a catchy title, but is absolutely terrible. Curated human recommendations and/or "YouTube staffers should think like journalists" are both two of the worst ideas for the internet I've heard in quite a long time. They don't reduce bias by any significant amount consistently (and I suspect the authors know this), and thinking of a platform where millions of seperate people upload ungodly amounts of con…

Curate it like a radio station or network then. The curated playlists on Google Music are pretty nice. I wouldn't mind seeing something like that for video, especially targeted at kids with various age ranges, activities, moods, and interests.

> Curate it like a radio station

Radio is even more full of garbage than YouTube!

The curated playlists on Apple Music are decent but they're too short and there are too few of them. There's also nothing stopping a third party curating YouTube and sharing recommended playlists - it's just too hard to find a mass audience with generic recommendations.

Re: YouTube should stop recommending garbage videos to users

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I don’t even buy the reasoning that the recommendations are somehow “personalized,” because they don’t seem to be... At all. I have never watched a political video on YouTube, or really anything unrelated to music or computer science, yet my “recommended videos” are always full of Ben Shapiro and his ilk. It’s easier to find relevant videos by doing a regular Google search, which is a little ironic.

My recommendations are massively personalized.

I live in a non-English speaking country, and looking at the trending lists and friend's playlists, all the recommendations are in the local language. My recommendations are 80% English and 20% local language (local stuff that I do watch).

70% of my recommendations are also centered around the interests I watch - technology, old computer restoration, etc.

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