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Princeton Grad Student And 'Brilliant' Programmer, Dies In Apparent Suicide

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Re: Princeton Grad Student And 'Brilliant' Programmer, Dies In Apparent Suicide

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Just FYI, here's another HN thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2074109

Be sure to mind BigZaphod's comment in that thread about the suicide note.

It seems this wish is being fullfilled:

Tumblr: http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/suicide?before=1294400750

Scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc/46479466/Bill-Zeller-Suicide-Note

Also, his twitter account is alive (his last tweet is from last year): http://twitter.com/billzeller

Re: Princeton Grad Student And 'Brilliant' Programmer, Dies In Apparent Suicide

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It's quite incredible that the Huffington Post posted the entire suicide note, particularly without a warning before it.

In any case, I'm disturbed and outraged by the religious comments (ranging from wishing him well in the next phase of his life to saying how much God loves everyone even despite this to how he should forgive himself for the suicide). I thought respect was fundamental to religion.

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It's quite incredible that the Huffington Post posted the entire suicide note, particularly without a warning before it. In any case, I'm disturbed and outraged by the religious comments (ranging from wishing him well in the next phase of his life to saying how much God loves everyone even despite this to how he should forgive himself for the suicide). I thought respect was fundamental to religion.

That was really sad. I'm a Christian, but fully recognize there is some sickening hypocrisy in the 'Christian' world (and probably all religious and non-religious groups), but it's especially sick when these attitudes are propagated by supposed love. Truly, 'they worship me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me'.

This makes me question anything that supports rape fantasies. Anything that would even remotely encourage someone to act out this horrible, life ruining crime on another human being is very bad for society. It's one form of censorship I would support.

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Why the quotes around the word brilliant in the title? Am I missing something?

Because it's quoting a comment from Anil Dash. (More of the comment is quoted in the body of the article.)

That may be true, however there is still quite a disconnect between the intended "quoting" and resulting 'scare quote' issue. Basically, without knowing the quote, it adds a pile of sarcasm to the title roughly equivalent to:

so-called smart guy kills himself

It's just sad.

Re: Princeton Grad Student And 'Brilliant' Programmer, Dies In Apparent Suicide

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It's quite incredible that the Huffington Post posted the entire suicide note, particularly without a warning before it. In any case, I'm disturbed and outraged by the religious comments (ranging from wishing him well in the next phase of his life to saying how much God loves everyone even despite this to how he should forgive himself for the suicide). I thought respect was fundamental to religion.

Unfortunately, it's not. I couldn't find the comments you mentioned, but the unfortunate fact is that many religious people are (at best) a shadow of what their beliefs are based on.

I say this as a devout (but not fundamentalist) Christian. This entire article grieves me–including his descriptions of how his father treated him. No matter what choices my kids make, I could never treat them that way.

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It's quite incredible that the Huffington Post posted the entire suicide note, particularly without a warning before it. In any case, I'm disturbed and outraged by the religious comments (ranging from wishing him well in the next phase of his life to saying how much God loves everyone even despite this to how he should forgive himself for the suicide). I thought respect was fundamental to religion.

That was really sad. I'm a Christian, but fully recognize there is some sickening hypocrisy in the 'Christian' world (and probably all religious and non-religious groups), but it's especially sick when these attitudes are propagated by supposed love. Truly, 'they worship me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me'. This makes me question anything that supports rape fantasies. Anything that would even remote…

Not brave enough to stand up for censorship with your own account?

I voted you down. I don't think your comment has any meaningful place in this thread. It should go without saying that you shouldn't use someone's death to soapbox about censorship or any other unrelated topic.

Re: Princeton Grad Student And 'Brilliant' Programmer, Dies In Apparent Suicide

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It's quite incredible that the Huffington Post posted the entire suicide note, particularly without a warning before it. In any case, I'm disturbed and outraged by the religious comments (ranging from wishing him well in the next phase of his life to saying how much God loves everyone even despite this to how he should forgive himself for the suicide). I thought respect was fundamental to religion.

I find proselytism highly disrespectful, yet it's common to Islam, Christianity, and historically Judaism. So I wouldn't say respect is fundamental to religion.

I'm willing to give the commentators the benefit of the doubt though and assume they meant no disrespect. They'd probably be puzzled that anyone would find offense. Likely just a lack of exposure to other world views.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's quoting a comment from Anil Dash. (More of the comment is quoted in the body of the article.)

That may be true, however there is still quite a disconnect between the intended "quoting" and resulting 'scare quote' issue. Basically, without knowing the quote, it adds a pile of sarcasm to the title roughly equivalent to: so-called smart guy kills himself It's just sad.

When something is quoted in a newspaper, it's just that: a quote. Unfortunately, some editors will pick quotes selectively in order to sensationalize the headline, but that doesn't mean a quoted phrase is meant to be suspect.

To wit:

Area woman "terrified" by Sex Predadtor - implies the woman, when asked, said she was terrified, not that "terrified" should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was really sad. I'm a Christian, but fully recognize there is some sickening hypocrisy in the 'Christian' world (and probably all religious and non-religious groups), but it's especially sick when these attitudes are propagated by supposed love. Truly, 'they worship me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me'. This makes me question anything that supports rape fantasies. Anything that would even remote…

Not brave enough to stand up for censorship with your own account? I voted you down. I don't think your comment has any meaningful place in this thread. It should go without saying that you shouldn't use someone's death to soapbox about censorship or any other unrelated topic.

Like my other account is any less anonymous? (didn't realize I was signed in with this account).

Journalistic convention is more related to the topic??

We've just found out about someone that suffered through a hell-filled life because of some sicko's fantasy. I'd hope we would try and figure out a way to spare others the same aweful fate.

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Not sure, but I think it's a journalistic convention. Since the person was not generally well known, the quotes indicate that it's something others who do know him say. They're not being sarcastic.

Yep. Newspapers have developed a kind of shorthand to deal with the tight space constraints on headlines. Putting a description of a person in quotes is short for "who has been called…".

But also, using quotation marks purely for emphasis/sarcasm is an informal practice, it doesn't belong in something like a news article (or an essay, legal document, etc. ).
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