Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

mozilla.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 116 posts

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#41

Post by giancarlostoro »

ozim wrote: post #29
fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

I tried FF dev edition with Angular, it was getting randomly slow. Weird issues popping while debuging typescript code. In the end I have to use Chrome for my work, even though I would like to drop Chrome personaly. That said, I sometimes have to debug Angular applications on IE11 which is worst nightmare...

If its having performance issues on Firefox.... Leaving Firefox and making it work on Chrome is part of the problem with the browser wars... I also would consider that a bug in either that framework or your code or both. I rather websites worked the same in all browsers otherwise why bother with JS frameworks that are to be compiled for all browsers.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#42

Post by jonathaneunice »

fimdomeio wrote: post #15
pjmlp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not, apparently the reasoning was not to make Firefox bigger with needless features not requires by non-techie users. At least this is how I recall it, please anyone correct me if I am mistaken.

It's a beta with special features for developers. right now dev edition for me is 70.0b1 regular is firefox 68.0.2 It also has the new logo and I suppose there's new stuff on the dev tools. "What's new" page is broken so not absolutely sure.

Seems very much a beta for developers. Some cool dev features promised, but didn't always work as demoed. Font parameter manipulation for example. UI's there and pretty...it just doesn't affect the look/styling of fonts rendered on a real site like it does their demo site. Also, a number of UI controls slow to respond (e.g. cursors for dragging, clicking, etc.) β β β so very β

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#43

Post by maxheadroom »

Should the title have a (2017) at the end, since Quantum initially came out then[0,1]? (I understand it points to a current-version but it seems like, from the comments, it's being mistaken for having recently been released.)

[0] - https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/09/26/firefox-quantum-bet...

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history#Firefo...

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#44

Post by shawnz »

input_sh wrote: post #6
CJefferson wrote: post #2

Can anyone explain exactly what's different about this? Are all these features not in normal Firefox? Is this like a beta of normal firefox, set of extensions, or a significant fork?

Special features: kind of like an IDE on top of Firefox, meant to be used by web developers. Comes with its own config profile, so you can fuck around and not break stuff in stable/beta that you are supposed to have concurrently installed. Kind of like beta: all of the new APIs and features related to web development are there three months before they hit stable.

The retail edition of Firefox already includes dev tools.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#45

Post by Mister_Snuggles »

SquareWheel wrote: post #25
archie2 wrote: post #21

Has there been a significant update to the devtools recently? I've been a devedition user for years, odd to see it on the front page of HN just linking to the homepage..

This is why I dislike these software posts without context. It's never clear if there's been an update or if the submitter just discovered them for the first time.

I really wish posts like this, and posts that are just random Wikipedia articles, would have a paragraph (or at least a sentence) from the submitter.

Why is this interesting? For Wikipedia articles about people this is doubly important because the title is inevitably just the person's name - unless you already know who that person is there's no hint as to why they are significant.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#46

Post by lovetocode »

tbassetto wrote: post #34
lovetocode wrote: post #27

Did they fix the memory bloat on Mac OS? It’s pretty much useless to me on MacOS.

I saw a tweet recently about macOS power consumption fixes: https://mobile.twitter.com/pcwalton/status/11661937700160798... Haven't noticed any memory bloat myself though (= it consumes a lot of memory, like any browsers). It's somewhere between Safari and Chrome.

Good to know thanks. The last time I used it it was taking up nine gigs of RAM with only one tab open. Maybe I’ll give it a go again

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#47

Post by philliphaydon »

icemelt8 wrote: post #17
philliphaydon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than the web socket support in Chrome, the FF dev tools are a billion times better than Chrome now. I cannot work without the css layout overlays from FF dev tools. Makes working with grid layouts insanely easy.

how many production websites you work on use Grids? just curious.

Only for internal apps and personal stuff. I don’t really work on client facing stuff.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#48

Post by zelly »

fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

Firefox (hardened config) for browsing.

Chromium for web dev.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#49

Post by The_rationalist »

fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

I use Firefox devtools only when I need special features: Mostly: Grid editor CSS Shape editor

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

#50

Post by The_rationalist »

pluma wrote: post #28
fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

Having recently switched to Edge Dev after having used Firefox for roughly a year (and Chrome before that), I'd say Firefox devtools' strongest point are the style editing stuff. Somehow Firefox devtools feel a bit clunkier when working on JS projects but they offer a lot of neat gimmicks if you dig into the depths of CSS. I also find the guidelines when highlighting an element more helpful than in Chromium for align…

What percentage of your users are on IE11? Did you measure if there's at least one user on IE11?
Post reply on HN