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Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by gigatexal »

ptx wrote: post #5
CJefferson wrote: post #2

Can anyone explain exactly what's different about this? Are all these features not in normal Firefox? Is this like a beta of normal firefox, set of extensions, or a significant fork?

I think it's mainly a difference in configuration. The developer version, IIRC, allows you to install extensions on your own machine without seeking approval from Mozilla, but on the other hand it apparently subjects you to additional telemetry: > Firefox Developer Edition automatically sends feedback to Mozilla ... In addition to the data collection described in this Privacy Notice, these versions by default may sen…

When was the last time devs took time out of their day to create detailed bug reports with crash logs and context? Telemetry done right is just a way to surface bugs properly.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by bleuarff »

fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

Each has their pros and cons. My favorite features in FF devtools which are missing from Chrome are CSS diff and the advanced filtering in the network panel. Chrome filtering only works on hosts, while FF can filter in query strings and other sections of a request.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by bovine3dom »

ptx wrote: post #5
CJefferson wrote: post #2

Can anyone explain exactly what's different about this? Are all these features not in normal Firefox? Is this like a beta of normal firefox, set of extensions, or a significant fork?

I think it's mainly a difference in configuration. The developer version, IIRC, allows you to install extensions on your own machine without seeking approval from Mozilla, but on the other hand it apparently subjects you to additional telemetry: > Firefox Developer Edition automatically sends feedback to Mozilla ... In addition to the data collection described in this Privacy Notice, these versions by default may sen…

If you just want to be able to install unsigned extensions with neither the extra bugs from running a beta nor the telemetry, you can use the far less advertised "unbranded builds" of Firefox [1] instead.

[1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing#Latest_Bu...

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by fimdomeio »

pjmlp wrote: post #4
CJefferson wrote: post #2

Can anyone explain exactly what's different about this? Are all these features not in normal Firefox? Is this like a beta of normal firefox, set of extensions, or a significant fork?

They are not, apparently the reasoning was not to make Firefox bigger with needless features not requires by non-techie users. At least this is how I recall it, please anyone correct me if I am mistaken.

It's a beta with special features for developers. right now dev edition for me is 70.0b1 regular is firefox 68.0.2

It also has the new logo and I suppose there's new stuff on the dev tools. "What's new" page is broken so not absolutely sure.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by philliphaydon »

fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

Other than the web socket support in Chrome, the FF dev tools are a billion times better than Chrome now. I cannot work without the css layout overlays from FF dev tools. Makes working with grid layouts insanely easy.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by icemelt8 »

philliphaydon wrote: post #16
fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

Other than the web socket support in Chrome, the FF dev tools are a billion times better than Chrome now. I cannot work without the css layout overlays from FF dev tools. Makes working with grid layouts insanely easy.

how many production websites you work on use Grids? just curious.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by jefftk »

bleuarff wrote: post #12
fareesh wrote: post #3

I can't seem to make the switch away from Chromium devtools. I don't know whether it's because I am habituated to the Chromium ones or whether there is something klunky about the Firefox devtools that I can't put my finger on.

Each has their pros and cons. My favorite features in FF devtools which are missing from Chrome are CSS diff and the advanced filtering in the network panel. Chrome filtering only works on hosts, while FF can filter in query strings and other sections of a request.

I often use network filtering in Chrome devtools to find requests by query string. If you start typing into the search box it matches it against the whole request including url parameters.

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by zaphirplane »

What’s the Mozilla community like for external contributions? Before the big google dollars it seemed cliquey and now seems mostly paid people. Is that accurate ?

I wonder what happens to Firefox if the search dollars run out and companies are uniting behind chrome/WebKit

Re: Firefox 70 released for Firefox Quantum: Developer Edition

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Post by mcny »

gigatexal wrote: post #11
ptx wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's mainly a difference in configuration. The developer version, IIRC, allows you to install extensions on your own machine without seeking approval from Mozilla, but on the other hand it apparently subjects you to additional telemetry: > Firefox Developer Edition automatically sends feedback to Mozilla ... In addition to the data collection described in this Privacy Notice, these versions by default may sen…

When was the last time devs took time out of their day to create detailed bug reports with crash logs and context? Telemetry done right is just a way to surface bugs properly.

I use nightly as my main browser because I want Mozilla to see my bugs. And I want Mozilla to not do telemetry in production. No such luck.
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