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Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by PavlovsCat »

jevgeni wrote: post #115
esotericn wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Control? My OS does not phone home. It contacts package mirrors when I ask it to and only when I ask it to. It contacts NTP servers because I specifically enabled that. That's it. By contrast Windows is a black box of nonsense. The copy I have running in a VM has the marketing name "Cortana" process running even though I specifically chose "no" at install. I enabled a data limit the other day and played some games. T…

Obviously: we don’t care. Apple and Microsoft do roughly an equal amount of telemetry. Ubuntu has telemetry. Obviously most people are fine with telemetry. Apple charges WAY more for its OS than Microsoft does for Windows 10 Home Edition. Don’t want adds? Buy the Pro version. This “apples are better than oranges” indignation about Windows 10 is getting old. Don’t like it? Fine. Let other people enjoy things they like…

Things get pushed on people, and most are not even aware enough for the question "do they care?" to even become meaningful.

We're moving from sofware you run without any interference to subscription and surveillance models, and that's not because users want that, that's not "what they like", they don't have an easy way to get what they do like while also being treated ethically.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by user5994461 »

habitue wrote: post #106

I feel like there's this continuum: Linux: Free, Doesn't spy on you MacOS: Costs money, Doesn't spy on you ChromeOS: Free, Spies on you Windows: Costs money, Spies on you

You must be kidding on Linux not spying on you. The ubuntu start menu is sending everything you type to the internet and filling the menus with ads.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by user5994461 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #120
throw0101a wrote: post #80

This post recommends LTSC because it has been pre-de-crappified (e.e., no Candy Crush pre-installed). However in January 2020 Microsoft will not support Office 365 (ProPlus?) on LTSC. This is because the 'official' LTSC use case is for things like medical devices, and not "regular" desktops. It's just that many IT sites got tired of the Windows 10 what-a-mole with non-helpful features, phone home stuff, etc, that the…

I'm facing this decision right now. To LTSC or not. I have to build a virtual desktop environment for an isolated network that is almost-but-not-quite a SCADA system. It's the monitoring and management bits, without the direct control. It's not ultra critical, but there's a strict uptime requirement, and a general preference for long-term service releases of everything where possible. Security and prevention of "data…

Actually, there were comments on hacker news the other day about the domain, the most likely explanation is that is was too cumbersome to provision new things on microsoft.com so the devs went with what they could get their hands on instead.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by vondur »

jevgeni wrote: post #117
jawilson2 wrote: post #70

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There a lot of whataboutisms here. MS shouldn't do phone home, OSX shouldn't do it, and I'm pretty sure my work CentOS doesn't do it. This should be the default, and you should have to opt in, preferably for some period, for it to happen. For ads, this should be disabled by default, and the user should be compensated in some way for receiving ads on an OS they paid for. Also, these and Candy Crush seem to be re-enabl…

Counterpoint: users are mostly fine with telemetry on average. Users ARE compensated by a cheaper OS license in case of Windows 10.

How are users “compensated” with a cheaper OS licenses in Windows 10. Most everyone uses the OS included with their device and will rarely pay for an update.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by user5994461 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #16
stuartd wrote: post #8

Another option without Edge, Cortana and Candy Crush is Windows Server 2019 which is what I have on my Dev PC. I’ve always run desktop server when I could - back to NT4 - initially to avoid any differences between local behaviour and deployed, though this is not really ever the case now. So now it’s for this reason - to avoid the cacophony of recent Windows versions, weird behaviour from updates and the like. I don’t…

There are a number of challenges with using Server as a desktop OS. Sometimes utilities I want to use are $20-40 for a desktop PC, and $1000+ to install on a server OS, even though they are the same software. Sometimes apps just won't work because they are checking what OS you are using and don't like it. Recently I tried setting up a Windows Server 2019 install... to use as a home server... on my Intel NUC, only to…

Last I worked on that, drivers had to be quite explicit about which OS version they support. Intel wouldn't be able to make drivers compatible with Windows Server 2019 given the OS was probably just released and the driver probably predates it.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by latexr »

plorkyeran wrote: post #89
eslaught wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Safari harasses you about being the default browser But does it advertise to you by default? This seems not comparable at all. Pretty much every browser will want you to set it as default (and at least the option to stop the nagging is usually front and center). Maybe this is just me, but advertising by default in something as basic as a start screen seems very user hostile....

I get semi-regular notifications in macOS telling me I should give Safari another try and I haven't found any way to turn them off.

I may have found what you’re referring to and how to disable it[1][2].

[1]: Original blog post: https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-osx-try-safari-promotion....

[2]: Archival link, for future-proofing: https://web.archive.org/web/20190814011835/https://www.ctrl....

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by latexr »

tom_ wrote: post #111
latexr wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been on macOS (OS X) for over a decade, never used Safari as the default browser, and have no idea what you’re referring to.

Ditto, and I get them occasionally.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20815831

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

jevgeni wrote: post #116
eslaught wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Safari harasses you about being the default browser But does it advertise to you by default? This seems not comparable at all. Pretty much every browser will want you to set it as default (and at least the option to stop the nagging is usually front and center). Maybe this is just me, but advertising by default in something as basic as a start screen seems very user hostile....

macOS is way more expensive as well. Compare it with Windows 10 Pro for a fairer price point and ads are not a problem all of a sudden.

How is it more expensive. The last macOS I had to pay for was mountain lion. That was 10.8. I get that I have to buy a mac to get the os but once I have it, I get the most recent version of macOS for free from the AppStore.

https://www.apple.com/shop/help/downloadable_software

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by Koshkin »

jevgeni wrote: post #118

Could everyone chill with this already? We get it, you’re super clever and super privacy conscious. Now let people enjoy the products they like.

It’s almost like saying to a rape victim, “Yada-yada, we get it. Couldn’t you just relax and enjoy it?”

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by jiggawatts »

user5994461 wrote: post #123
jiggawatts wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm facing this decision right now. To LTSC or not. I have to build a virtual desktop environment for an isolated network that is almost-but-not-quite a SCADA system. It's the monitoring and management bits, without the direct control. It's not ultra critical, but there's a strict uptime requirement, and a general preference for long-term service releases of everything where possible. Security and prevention of "data…

Actually, there were comments on hacker news the other day about the domain, the most likely explanation is that is was too cumbersome to provision new things on microsoft.com so the devs went with what they could get their hands on instead.

Yeah I know, but from the perspective of a customer it sounds absurd.

Personally I'm fed up with single entities such as Microsoft using TLDs for every damned thing, it makes it very hard to identify what is and isn't legitimate traffic. It also makes it borderline impossible to configure "whitelisting" firewalls or proxy servers.

I got to wonder what fraction of this is incompetence ("we can't use our own domain because of bureaucracy") and what fraction is deliberate ("everyone has blocked microsoft.com so we used something else")...

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