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Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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Why did reporters keep calling Levandowski an engineer? He's really not, at least not for quite a number of years. Anyway, Levandowski was a lousy leader, and was really detrimental to Uber's ATG. He bloated ATG from fewer than 100 people to more than 2000 within less than a year, without paying the slightest attention to culture. As a result, the number of people grossly exceeded the quantity of work. Political infi…

P.S., Levandowski caused similar drama when he was in Google's self-driving car division too, per the book Autonomy by Lawrence D Burns.

It's baffling to me how everyone seems to hate the guy and say he was a terrible leader, employee, and person, and yet companies seemed to have been valuing him like a diamond. How did that work? Is he just good at duping and persuading and sweet-talking people? Does he have some past accomplishments that were respectable? Does he have some insight into autonomous driving no one else has? Why would Google and Uber bet so much on this guy?

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The level of greed, hubris and stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me. Levandowski was paid a bonus of $120 million while at Google, which is more money than any reasonable person will need for several lifetimes. This was actually a running joke at Google (while I was still there) to describe $120M as "1 Levadownski". Like Sundar one year was described as earning "only 1.7 Levadownskis" (he got paid $200M…

how angry did it make Googlers internally to learn a single non-executive employee was paid a $120 million bonus?

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

P.S., Levandowski caused similar drama when he was in Google's self-driving car division too, per the book Autonomy by Lawrence D Burns.

It's baffling to me how everyone seems to hate the guy and say he was a terrible leader, employee, and person, and yet companies seemed to have been valuing him like a diamond. How did that work? Is he just good at duping and persuading and sweet-talking people? Does he have some past accomplishments that were respectable? Does he have some insight into autonomous driving no one else has? Why would Google and Uber be…

The decision makers who hire people like this and decide their compensation aren’t dealing with the environment day-to-day.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no love for the guy, but by all accounts he invented a lot of the core tech he stole.

Much of the vision may have been his, but what he is accused of stealing is the work of 100s (1000s?) of engineers who worked to make those ideas a reality.

I just checked my 100 person orgs code base and we have 5000 files so him stealing 14000 files was almost certainly written by hundreds of engineers.

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I would have a lot more sympathy for Levandowski if he had taken trade secrets and created his own company. But he didn't take the engineer/entrepreneur route. He took the corporate espionage route and just stole stuff from one company so that another company would profit, in the process further enriching himself. At one point he was a good engineer. Then he became just another greedy executive.

> But he didn't take the engineer/entrepreneur route. He took the corporate espionage route and just stole stuff from one company so that another company would profit, in the process further enriching himself. Levandowski actually had his own startup Otto which was acquired by Uber.

It was acquired in eight months, and founded specifically after Levandowski and Kalanick had a meeting. Otto looks like a prearranged sham legal entity to justify a huge payout, than a bonafide startup.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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"Theft of trade secrets" is how Silicon Valley was built. Fairchild was "theft of trade secrets" from Shockley; Intel was "theft of trade secrets" from Fairchild. When Camenzind left Signetics and designed the 555 (under contract to Signetics), he was "using trade secrets" of Signetics; in today's legal environment, they could have just ordered him to stick around as an employee and work on a less risky project. MOST…

Can we please stop with this false equivalence? This guy ripped servers worth of company information, he didn’t walk out the door with a bunch ideas in his head.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I live in a poor country which is poor mostly because the established economic powers are able to strangle new centers of wealth creation in the cradle, using the government and laws. Don't let that happen in your country. Is there any country in the world that still prioritizes freedom over having a massive regulatory state? It would surprise me.

Governments do not prioritize the freedom of their subjects; it's contrary to the incentives of everyone in the government. People win freedom by limiting the powers governments have over them.

This is just an absurd statement. Do you really think that somone is sitting in some cubical thinking, “Geez, how can I regulate purchase of ballpoint pens?” or anything else? That’s not how laws and regulations come about.

I really wish someone would point to an example where any “freedom stealing” law in a democracy was the came from a bureaucrat rather than outside lobbyists. Because the way this common claptrap implies that somewhere there’s a big board where there’s a monthly quota on new regulations and laws, or there’s some other personal incentive.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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I seriously doubt this will result in any jail time. Levandowski's lawyers will do everything they can to see to it no time is served. But he will probably pay a fine.. chump change to this man.

And this pisses me off; people in America get thrown in jail for stealing chewing gum.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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post #44

"Theft of trade secrets" is how Silicon Valley was built. Fairchild was "theft of trade secrets" from Shockley; Intel was "theft of trade secrets" from Fairchild. When Camenzind left Signetics and designed the 555 (under contract to Signetics), he was "using trade secrets" of Signetics; in today's legal environment, they could have just ordered him to stick around as an employee and work on a less risky project. MOST…

> So this movement toward resolving such conflicts in the courts, instead of by companies competing to out-innovate one another, is very troubling. A lot of the things you cite were actually fought out in the courts. Motorola sued MOS Technology [1]. AMD and Intel have been in constant legal battles since their inception. The complicated question of Unix ownership started the famous SCO-Linux litigation. This isn't a…

> The complicated question of Unix ownership started the famous SCO-Linux litigation. This isn't anything new.

Just a bit correction there. SCO-Linux litigation is pretty contemporary. Way back before then, there was the System-V vs BSD "Unix wars" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars )

SCO-Linux litigation was just the SCO assholes wanting to get a piece of the pie when they were dying out.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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> It is not uncommon for tech companies, which fiercely guard their intellectual property, to sue former employees or the firms they join after they leave. Is it really that common? I feel like most software engineers don't really take intellectual property all that seriously. Most will not think twice about backing up emails when leaving the company which might contain code diffs, design docs, etc. Friends from diff…

> Most will not think twice about backing up emails when leaving the company which might contain code diffs, design docs, etc.

Why would you even do that? I don't get the purpose of that. The email backups are worthless at that point--you can't reference them later, you'd have no reason to refer to them later, and backing up emails for a previous employer isn't your responsibility.

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