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Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by drKarl » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

tannhaeuser wrote: post #20

A bit offtopic, but does anybody know a micro server the size of an Intel NUC or Mac Mini, but with 100+W desktop/server (real, not cloud) hardware for use as CI server?

I wanted also a small, energy efficient server for CI at home. I was looking at SBCs (Single Board Computers) like Raspberri Pi and now others. Most are ARM based and max out at 2Gb or 4Gb RAM. I ended up buying an Odroid H2, which is x86 and takes up to 32GB RAM. I just received it so haven't put it together yet... also depends what you want to do with it how much you want to spend, I bought 32GB RAM, 1TB nvme and 6TB SATA HDD and plan to run everything on containers (docker). Also instead of say, Gitlab, Jenkins and Artifactory I think I'll use Gitea, Drone.io self hosted and I was looking at strongbox instead of Artifactory but not sure if it's production ready.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by dang » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #9

>How does it work? >Just turn it on! That’s not an explanation of how it works, that’s an explanation of how to use it. (I mean, you just know something stupid like that is coming the moment you see a loading progress bar for a static page. It’s not surprising, just disappointing.)

> you just know something stupid like that is coming

Please don't be a jerk in HN comments, especially when commenting on someone's work. Your comment would be fine without that last bit.

https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by aloknnikhil » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 5:03 PM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #2

So how does this thing work? Does the private cloud only exist when the storage device is plugged in? I see "smart TV" as a host option, does that mean the storage devices can use unaware USB hosts to be a communication mechanism? Interesting idea, I'll have to try it @home. Whitepaper on how the tech works would be nice.

A white paper is necessary to understand this. It doesn't make sense otherwise. How would a smart TV or any TV for that matter be configured to export it's USB devices as a network mount? I mean, there's absolutely no way to reach a USB drive attached to your TV except from within the TV itself.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by dochtman » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

Apart from all the other stuff, it seems suspicious that they would use Serpent for encryption, rather than using AES or another more well-known cipher suite (also, no talk about AEAD).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(cipher)

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by zelon88 » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

human20190310 wrote: post #31

zelon88 wrote: post #19

I'm really into home Cloud stuff. This answers none of my questions. 1) Where will my files be stored? 2) Does Duple store a copy? 3) What does Duple do with my meta data? What do they do with usage stats? 4) Does Duple have any third party contracts or contractors with access to my data? 5) How does putting Duple software on an RPI make my files available from anywhere? How do you enable access to my device from any…

What is the purpose of having "the cloud" in your home at all? To me "the cloud's" primary value is that it is running off-site, in an environment that capably and regularly deals with broken equipment. If my work is backed up in Google/Dropbox's data center, I don't have to worry about it if my house gets flooded. Having the cloud in your house, running on whatever stuff is laying around, just seems one small step r…

You're not wrong about the benefits of the Cloud. Some people make bomb shelters in their basement, some people stockpile canned goods. I stockpile data. I even have an old text only offline copy of the English Wikipedia.

My main issues are privacy. I don't want Google peeking into everything I upload for marketing materials. I also don't want to trust a third party company with my kids photos. They can change their privacy policy in the blink of an eye, or disable my account by accident without reason or warning.

Then there's the security aspect, and I'm settling in for a fight here. Google, AWS, Azure... These are all consolidated attack vectors. When WWIII breaks out it's not starting in the physical world. It's starting on the internet, and the first casualties are going to be major infrastructure providers followed immediately by FB, Google, Microsoft, and AWS.

Take out those 4 companies and our world is in chaos. Your company won't get their emails, their apps will be offline, and half our economy will be out of business by morning time.

But not me. My RAID arrays are still spinning away and if I want to I can reach out and touch them. Who knows where everyone elses data is. That's not my problem.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by lostapathy » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

drKarl wrote: post #41

tannhaeuser wrote: post #20

A bit offtopic, but does anybody know a micro server the size of an Intel NUC or Mac Mini, but with 100+W desktop/server (real, not cloud) hardware for use as CI server?

I wanted also a small, energy efficient server for CI at home. I was looking at SBCs (Single Board Computers) like Raspberri Pi and now others. Most are ARM based and max out at 2Gb or 4Gb RAM. I ended up buying an Odroid H2, which is x86 and takes up to 32GB RAM. I just received it so haven't put it together yet... also depends what you want to do with it how much you want to spend, I bought 32GB RAM, 1TB nvme and 6…

Any chance you're going to post updates on this? I would love to hear how this treats you!

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by tannhaeuser » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

IloveHN84 wrote: post #26

tannhaeuser wrote: post #20

A bit offtopic, but does anybody know a micro server the size of an Intel NUC or Mac Mini, but with 100+W desktop/server (real, not cloud) hardware for use as CI server?

A Raspberry Pi 4 with 4GB Ram or a Intel NUC Skull Canyon

A Pi is too weak for my workloads I'm afraid ;) Actually I considered a Hades Canyon (successor to Skull Canyon) with an early Intel 10th gen part but it has it's iGPU disabled and comes with a Radeon (!) GPU which just calls for trouble and additional cooling, though it's still much better than nvdia for Linux I guess. But then I'd rather go all-in on AMD CPUs which are winning in the bang-for-buck and multi-threaded department anyway. Plus, I don't want lasercut skull-shaped grilles and similar gaming traits if I can help it ;)

Edit: also it's already out well over a year, and given Intel's atypical immaturity wrt their 9nm parts, it might be better to skip on this one

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by anderspitman » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 5:06 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #39

macspoofing wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>we need this sort of technology to take hold with non-technical users, I'm pretty sure non-technical users are not looking for a private cloud.

Are you sure? Eventually people are going to realize that the SaaS companies have sold them out. And they may not understand what a private cloud is, but that's what they're going to want: The convenience they're accustomed to in a device only they control which can't be shut down or taken away from them.

ISPs (at least in the US) have been selling their customers out for years. Nobody cares as long as Netflix works and their photos get to the people they want to see them.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by nullwarp » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 5:08 PM UTC

human20190310 wrote: post #31

zelon88 wrote: post #19

I'm really into home Cloud stuff. This answers none of my questions. 1) Where will my files be stored? 2) Does Duple store a copy? 3) What does Duple do with my meta data? What do they do with usage stats? 4) Does Duple have any third party contracts or contractors with access to my data? 5) How does putting Duple software on an RPI make my files available from anywhere? How do you enable access to my device from any…

What is the purpose of having "the cloud" in your home at all? To me "the cloud's" primary value is that it is running off-site, in an environment that capably and regularly deals with broken equipment. If my work is backed up in Google/Dropbox's data center, I don't have to worry about it if my house gets flooded. Having the cloud in your house, running on whatever stuff is laying around, just seems one small step r…

I like to have control over my data and I don't have a lot of trust to most cloud storage services (especially not google).

That said in the end it's personal preference, it's not for everyone. I'm also a hobby admin who enjoys it.

Re: Show HN: Duple – Private cloud at home

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Post by drKarl » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

lostapathy wrote: post #46

drKarl wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted also a small, energy efficient server for CI at home. I was looking at SBCs (Single Board Computers) like Raspberri Pi and now others. Most are ARM based and max out at 2Gb or 4Gb RAM. I ended up buying an Odroid H2, which is x86 and takes up to 32GB RAM. I just received it so haven't put it together yet... also depends what you want to do with it how much you want to spend, I bought 32GB RAM, 1TB nvme and 6…

Any chance you're going to post updates on this? I would love to hear how this treats you!

I was considering writing a blog post