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Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by rayiner »

grecy wrote: post #483
rayiner wrote: post #405

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> I wish this urban legend would die. It won’t die because it makes yuppies feel superior to the plebes who eat at McDonalds. My wife once encountered a lawyer at a prominent DC firm who literally sneered at the idea of eating McDonalds. I think of her every time we drive through to get an Egg McMuffin.

Look at the fat, salt and sugar content of what you're eating from McDonald's It's no closer to food than Doritos or Coke are.

The fat and salt content of the meal I’d get at a fancy restaurant is also very high, but nobody would call that “not real food.” Yuppies only fixate about the nutritional content of fast food because the proles eat it. It’s a species of virtue signaling.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by grecy »

crazygringo wrote: post #492
grecy wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at the fat, salt and sugar content of what you're eating from McDonald's It's no closer to food than Doritos or Coke are.

Fries and Coke are fries and Coke. But the burger is certainly food according to anyone's definition. Get a quarter pounder with cheese and tell me how that's nutritionally any different from a burger you make at home with standard supermarket ingredients -- ground beef, hamburger bun, american cheese, ketchup, pickles, onions. Yet nobody complains about that at a neighborhood, family or church cookout.

The yellow, sugary bun is nothing I would ever bring into my own home. Not being American I'm always shocked by how low-quality the bread in the US is. Neither is the cheese, or the ground beef which would be the lowest quality possible meat in existence. What exactly did they feed those cows, and what antibiotics were they given?

You are correct that I could buy and eat that stuff at home, but like I said, I could also buy Doritos, coke, sugar rolls, candy, etc. etc.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by tripzilch »

tptacek wrote: post #84
_bxg1 wrote: post #2

I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

Can you make a clearer, better-cited case for "low cost chains serve meat that could barely even be called meat"? KFC serves (primarily) whole muscle chicken†, and the general US appetite for "dark meat" chicken is so low that we've been accused of "dumping" it on other countries and messing up their markets --- KFC seems to have no trouble sourcing its inputs effectively. KFC's suppliers include all the major chicke…

Is this really the thing you want to pick and argue about? About whether it is hyperbole or not to call the stuff that is NOT the subject of this article, low quality?

Why do you even care. They can "quality" up their meat all they want but in the end they are still a fast food chain that primarily sells buckets of meat. I don't need a citation to think that is disgusting, and if you don't then go take that argument somewhere where it's on topic. Jeez.

So they're actually doing the right thing in 2019 and replacing part of their product with non-meat. I hope it goes all the way, or at least make meat be the expensive "special occasion" option.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by tripzilch »

claudiawerner wrote: post #466
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #439

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> and the general US appetite for "dark meat" chicken is so low Which is sad, IMO. "All white meat chicken breast" is a bug, not a feature, IMO. Leg and thigh meat has so much more flavor and is much more juicy than breast meat.

I agree on the flavor but I think part of it is that it's a lot of hassle and just doesn't look as appealing as breast meat. There's a higher chance of biting into gristle/something hard, the meat can be "slimy", and I find that at chains that do "fried chicken", at least, they do a generally poorer job of breading the meat. It's not crunchy and battered like a "chicken tender". Thighs are a different matter since yo…

I don't think meat should be optimized for how easily you can mindlessly stuff it down your throat without paying attention, though.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by tripzilch »

zrail wrote: post #132
acollins1331 wrote: post #122

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The term "barely meat" as used in the parent was definitely talking about the ground beef you get at fast food restaraunts. Which has been shown in lots of cases to contain additives, notably taco bell etc. You brought up chicken because it's harder to call it barely meat, but fast food chicken is still shittier.

(Point of order: tptacek probably brought up chicken because TFA is about KFC, a purveyor of ... chicken.)

The article is about plant-based meat replacements. I think it's ludicrous how everyone in this thread seems to think it's oh so important to argue whether their real meat is actually really good or not.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by tripzilch »

koolba wrote: post #40
_bxg1 wrote: post #2

I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

> Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it might help them cut down on calories and improve their health image. Which is “less gross” is highly objective. > I wonder what impact it'll have on climate change when McDonalds stops buying real beef. Would be a nice longbet, “ McDonald’s will stop selling beef burgers by 20XY ”. I’d be on the “no” side of that bet.

> Which is “less gross” is highly objective.

As soon as they proudly put pictures of the animals and their living conditions on the packaging. You can put a field of corn or beans on packaging.

You can even put an image of the big machine with giant blades in the field.

Try that with meat and tell me again which is less gross.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by the_seraphim »

tripzilch wrote: post #503
tptacek wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you make a clearer, better-cited case for "low cost chains serve meat that could barely even be called meat"? KFC serves (primarily) whole muscle chicken†, and the general US appetite for "dark meat" chicken is so low that we've been accused of "dumping" it on other countries and messing up their markets --- KFC seems to have no trouble sourcing its inputs effectively. KFC's suppliers include all the major chicke…

Is this really the thing you want to pick and argue about? About whether it is hyperbole or not to call the stuff that is NOT the subject of this article, low quality? Why do you even care. They can "quality" up their meat all they want but in the end they are still a fast food chain that primarily sells buckets of meat . I don't need a citation to think that is disgusting, and if you don't then go take that argument…

I think that for one thing your comment could be argued in court to be libellous where you say it "could barely be called meat" for a second, you are the one who introduced the subject by making the above allegation.

You made a comment and you are being rebutted.

That's how civilised people operate, if you do not want to engage the rebuttal then you don't have to, but to respond with "Why do you even care." is shortsighted, it calls into question your own motives which from your second comment, are clearly tied to your own beliefs

your statement "I don't need a citation to think that is disgusting" shows that you were opining in your original comment, not stating fact and therefore their rebuttal of your opinion being placed in response to your attempt to disguise opinion as fact is in fact exactly on topic

"So they're actually doing the right thing in 2019 and replacing part of their product with non-meat" this points to your belief that "the right thing" is to "not eat (as much / any) meat" which is again opinion, "I hope it goes all the way" again, showing your opinion.

Now this is not to say you don't have the right to say what you will, or to comment as you like, I'm just highlighting that you are making a poor argument over this and have damaged your credibility. If you were trying to convince us that the meat is poor or that the concept and production is generally a negative thing (can't say i disagree, its horrifying what people will put into their bodies on a regular basis) you have harmed your own position by not responding with counter facts, or simply acknowledging that you were only opining and guiding the conversation onto the ideological side.

I hope you don't take this as a personal attack. Rather a walkthrough of your comment, and how it likely did not have the effect you wanted it to.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by tom_mellior »

kyrra wrote: post #97
_bxg1 wrote: post #2

I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

> ... can be both cheaper ... Impossible Burger patties are actually more expensive. For example, Burger King: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/meatless-fast-food-burgers... > The meatless burger is $5.99, around a dollar more than the regular Whopper with meat.

On the other hand, Swedish fast food chain Max has a pretty good "plant beef" burger made of wheat and soy protein, and it costs the same as the meat version.

I guess with Beyond and Impossible you pay a hefty price for their marketing. Or for irrelevant features: Didn't one of them put a lot of research into making a "bleeding" plant burger? Bleeding may be relevant in some settings, but not at Burger King where you always get your burger well done (AFAIK).

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by BubRoss »

kamaal wrote: post #499
BubRoss wrote: post #390

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When you say something brand new and made from vegetables must cause cancer I think the burden of proof is absolutely on you, and so far you haven't given a single reason why that might be true.

Well if you want vegetables, you might as well skip this whole ceremony and straight away eat real vegetables . It's not that hard to make a vegetable sandwich. The problem is you are selling processed vegetable mash with salts, chemical preservatives, conditioners and oil as meat. It's not meat. It is, what it is. Processed vegetable trash. Sell it that way, and its perfectly fine. People can eat it if they want. Le…

The person I replied to was saying that it likely to cause cancer. What are they putting in specifically that you think will cause cancer? It seems like people saying this are full of vague handwaving and won't give any specific reason or ingredient for why they think that.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by BubRoss »

Grue3 wrote: post #500
BubRoss wrote: post #239

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As opposed to plants?

There are tons of plants that are not healthy to eat at all. Or can be processed in a way that makes them unhealthy, or even dangerous to eat. See: tobacco.

Which vegetables are they using that you think will cause cancer?
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