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Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Basically the Apple philosophy. On the plus side, it really drives up re-sale values and part-out values when you don't have the manufacturer undercutting you. Source: I parted out my old Macbook and ended up with a pretty good downpayment on my next done. Got new mid-2015 Macbook Air new by parting my mid-2011 and ~CAD$300 by selling the promo "free" Beats headphones.

Tesla threw together of a couple of thousand prototype-ish cars based on an already-uncommon sports car. Apple makes zillions of devices and supports them for years. What's the connection here?

Individual parts are not readily available from either manufacturer.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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It's only a matter of time until it becomes profitable enough to salvage that one orbiting the Earth...

I was going to mention that the one that has broken earth's orbit is the wrong vehicle and is not a first generation Tesla Roadster, but then I realised the repair woes are likely to be even worse for second generation Roadster owners. They're not likely to be produced in significantly more volume, and they're made totally in house, not based on a Lotus platform like the last one.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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This is becoming more and more of a problem as everything becomes more complex. I remember when I was a child my dad repaired the power switch on the vacume cleaner by going to the local electrical store and buying the exact same switch. Now every single device has its own custom part and the switch isn't just connecting 2 wires, it's contacting a main board telling it the button has been pressed triggering the power…

I've heard Tesla advertising themselves as a simpler car, by comparing the number of moving parts between a Tesla and an ICE car. That should've made part shortages less likely.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla threw together of a couple of thousand prototype-ish cars based on an already-uncommon sports car. Apple makes zillions of devices and supports them for years. What's the connection here?

Individual parts are not readily available from either manufacturer.

...and neither of them are fond of anyone but themselves doing the repairs.

Some references, for the disbelievers:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20641424

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20674591

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11233898

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11255160

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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"There are unique challenges that come with working on these cars. You might have to rebuild a circuit board one day, and fabricate a new hood the next day. Actually, if any body parts are damaged, you'll have to fabricate them. Tesla doesn't sell parts to anyone, so Medlock has taken to fashioning new panels out of carbon fiber himself. " Didn't expect to see circuit board rebuilding until ~2023 (15y is my recollect…

I thought federal law required mass market vehicle manufacturers to make parts available for 10 years? Am I mistaken or did Tesla manufacture these under some low-volume exception?

I don’t think the Tesla Roadster was ever a mass market car?

Someone elsewhere suggested only 2500 of them were made.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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> it is always interesting to me to see how as companies grow, they become more political, less effective and generally suck more. All the good people, like this guy, get pushed out or leave on their own. The skillsets required for a $100k company, and $1M one, and $100M one and a >$1B one are very different. It's not even surprising when a CEO who launched a company gets replaced once the company goes big (oh hey sp…

Having just wrapped up a stint at a >$1B company, I was floored by the incredible amount of waste of human effort on the part of management, which never really visibly impacted the bottom or the stock price. I agree that the skill sets change as companies add zeroes to their value, but I couldn’t help but wonder if there’s a way to determine the optimal size of a company from a productivity standpoint. Sure, it would…

Then you might find much to agree with what the creator of Rails (of Ruby on Rails) and founder of niche company 37Signals (now known as Basecamp) had to say:

https://m.signalvnoise.com/exponential-growth-devours-and-co...

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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This is becoming more and more of a problem as everything becomes more complex. I remember when I was a child my dad repaired the power switch on the vacume cleaner by going to the local electrical store and buying the exact same switch. Now every single device has its own custom part and the switch isn't just connecting 2 wires, it's contacting a main board telling it the button has been pressed triggering the power…

I've heard Tesla advertising themselves as a simpler car, by comparing the number of moving parts between a Tesla and an ICE car. That should've made part shortages less likely.

Its simpler in terms of moving parts sure, but the actual complexity of what is going on is through the roof. A physical door handle may have more moving parts than a touch panel but if you pull apart a door handle you can quite quickly work out how it works and how it could be replicated. Good luck pulling apart a bunch of micro controllers trying to work out the communication protocols and code required to respond to a touch.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla threw together of a couple of thousand prototype-ish cars based on an already-uncommon sports car. Apple makes zillions of devices and supports them for years. What's the connection here?

Individual parts are not readily available from either manufacturer.

You can't get 'individual parts' for most consumer electronics. They don't require the sort of maintenance a car does, as this user's story about selling an 8 year old laptop and buying a 4 year old laptop with the proceeds illustrates.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more like the present; every part they manufacture goes into a new Tesla while owners wait weeks for replacement parts.

This is the key: Tesla's goal is increasing new-car production. Diverting intermediate assemblies into spare parts inventories directly competes with that goal. If Tesla had spare manufacturing capacity this wouldn't be as pressing. As they bring more online it would presumably ease, though with lag while the backlog of demand is drained.

It’s unknown if Telsa has spare parts capacity.

What is know is that distributing parts for warranty repairs is a cost to the company.

It seems their plan is to let warranty claims languish until at least the next financial period.

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