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Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by nwallin »

ryebit wrote: post #82
nwallin wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For obvious reasons, the US government was never an authorized CA in firefox, and the application to be put on the list of trusted CAs was denied. The DoD root cert (for .mil addresses) is similarly distrusted. AFAIK most other browsers operate similarly. If you so desire, you can simply add the FCPCA and DoD certs to your trust store. Or... you know.. not. https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:GovernmentCAs https://bugzilla.m…

Shame you can't add CAs for a particular set of subdomains, that it's all or nothing.

Yeah it really doesn't make any sense that it's not that way. I'd very much like to add the fcpca cert for .gov addresses and dod cert for .mil addresses, as I sometimes use these TLDs for work, but it doesn't make any sense to enable them globally. In fact I would like to ban all other CAs from those TLDs as they would be obviously fraudulent. I wouldn't have an issue adding cnnic for .cn either.

While I'm at it, why can't... Nevermind. The certificate authority system is so damned broken I could sit here for hours. Arrrg.

Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by m0zg »

orbital-decay wrote: post #75
m0zg wrote: post #66

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Pretty sure. In the first round Zuyganov and Yeltsin were neck and neck. Zuyganov looked _very_ viable to most of the older voting population who had quite enough of the "wild 90's" and wanted to go back to the socialist certainty of how things were before Perestroika, at least to some extent, and Zuyganov promised exactly that. Or at least how they remembered how things were: people tend to forget the bad things fir…

>Russian presidents don't usually try to dance awkwardly on stage Probably not in the case of Yeltsin though, who willingly jumped from the CPSU Olympus once (which was probably the only relatively bright moment in his career) and was fairly eccentric otherwise, especially when drunk. I was one year short of the voting age back then, but I remember it very well. What you're saying is true, but you're only describing…

^ This is so wonderfully naive, I'm at a loss for words.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/russia-us-clinton-boris-y...

Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by ebg13 »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #73
seppin wrote: post #68

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How do you know he's popular either? State run opinion polls? Asking people on the street about if they like their ruthless dictator or not? Sure.

He is genuinely popular I believe, not just from state run polls but also independent ones. You must understand the fact that he pulled Russia out of one of its worst crises in history and made it a force to be reckoned with again. Yeah there’s plenty to criticise but that fact alone will make him quite popular. He’s certainly authoritarian, I wouldn’t characterize him as a “ruthless dictator”

> I wouldn’t characterize him as a “ruthless dictator”

You mean except for the part where his opposition periodically gets assassinated?

Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by maxander »

nbabitskiy wrote: post #90
codedokode wrote: post #83

Researchers overlook more important issue. As the government controls the servers, it can impersonate any number of users. Users submit an application to vote remotely through a government-controlled site and confirm it by receiving a SMS with code. It is obvious that government is able to submit such an application to its own server without bothering the real user. The users vote remotely and confirm their identity…

Excuse me, please, are you living here? Do you really think there is a possibility the majority (or even 10%) of voters will vote digitally? It's so out of character of Russian voters, that I honestly suppose you're a Prigozhin's troll.

I’ve never been to Russia and don’t know the Russian attitude towards tech or voting. But I’m confident that if the US had a system like this and made a reasonably usable phone app to be the front end, almost no one under the age of 60 would bother to wait in line for a physical voting booth ever again.

Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by mrlala »

maxander wrote: post #94
nbabitskiy wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me, please, are you living here? Do you really think there is a possibility the majority (or even 10%) of voters will vote digitally? It's so out of character of Russian voters, that I honestly suppose you're a Prigozhin's troll.

I’ve never been to Russia and don’t know the Russian attitude towards tech or voting. But I’m confident that if the US had a system like this and made a reasonably usable phone app to be the front end, almost no one under the age of 60 would bother to wait in line for a physical voting booth ever again.

>would bother to wait in line for a physical voting booth ever again

As someone living in a state with mail-in ballots, it still boggles my mind waiting in line for physical voting is a thing. Mail-in ballots seem to be the best of all worlds. It's easy. I have time to do the research for who I want to choose. It's all backed by USPS so it's pretty damn secure- as secure as everything else we trust in the mail.

Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by mycall »

mrlala wrote: post #95
maxander wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never been to Russia and don’t know the Russian attitude towards tech or voting. But I’m confident that if the US had a system like this and made a reasonably usable phone app to be the front end, almost no one under the age of 60 would bother to wait in line for a physical voting booth ever again.

>would bother to wait in line for a physical voting booth ever again As someone living in a state with mail-in ballots, it still boggles my mind waiting in line for physical voting is a thing. Mail-in ballots seem to be the best of all worlds. It's easy. I have time to do the research for who I want to choose. It's all backed by USPS so it's pretty damn secure- as secure as everything else we trust in the mail.

You get the "I Voted" sticker to show off with.

Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

mrlala wrote: post #95
maxander wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never been to Russia and don’t know the Russian attitude towards tech or voting. But I’m confident that if the US had a system like this and made a reasonably usable phone app to be the front end, almost no one under the age of 60 would bother to wait in line for a physical voting booth ever again.

>would bother to wait in line for a physical voting booth ever again As someone living in a state with mail-in ballots, it still boggles my mind waiting in line for physical voting is a thing. Mail-in ballots seem to be the best of all worlds. It's easy. I have time to do the research for who I want to choose. It's all backed by USPS so it's pretty damn secure- as secure as everything else we trust in the mail.

Yeah. Washington state is all mail-in ballots, once you try it, other ways just seem stupid.

Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by jakeogh »

maxander wrote: post #94
nbabitskiy wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me, please, are you living here? Do you really think there is a possibility the majority (or even 10%) of voters will vote digitally? It's so out of character of Russian voters, that I honestly suppose you're a Prigozhin's troll.

I’ve never been to Russia and don’t know the Russian attitude towards tech or voting. But I’m confident that if the US had a system like this and made a reasonably usable phone app to be the front end, almost no one under the age of 60 would bother to wait in line for a physical voting booth ever again.

https://youtu.be/w3_0x6oaDmI

Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by Synaesthesia »

ebg13 wrote: post #93
Synaesthesia wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is genuinely popular I believe, not just from state run polls but also independent ones. You must understand the fact that he pulled Russia out of one of its worst crises in history and made it a force to be reckoned with again. Yeah there’s plenty to criticise but that fact alone will make him quite popular. He’s certainly authoritarian, I wouldn’t characterize him as a “ruthless dictator”

> I wouldn’t characterize him as a “ruthless dictator” You mean except for the part where his opposition periodically gets assassinated?

It’s clearly a political designation. It’s authoritarian for sure. I’m not gonna defend his actions. There are plenty of countries which so far worse though and do not get designated as “ruthless dictators” by the media. When Yeltsin was in power he was a ruthless dictator, but because he toes the line there were no issues.

Re: Moscow's blockchain voting system cracked a month before election

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Post by artemave »

nbabitskiy wrote: post #90
codedokode wrote: post #83

Researchers overlook more important issue. As the government controls the servers, it can impersonate any number of users. Users submit an application to vote remotely through a government-controlled site and confirm it by receiving a SMS with code. It is obvious that government is able to submit such an application to its own server without bothering the real user. The users vote remotely and confirm their identity…

Excuse me, please, are you living here? Do you really think there is a possibility the majority (or even 10%) of voters will vote digitally? It's so out of character of Russian voters, that I honestly suppose you're a Prigozhin's troll.

codedokode's concerns are spot on. You, on the other hand, do sound like Prigozhin's troll.
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