Whenever I hear the horrors of the tradewar in a positive light, I wonder if this is the Russian propagandists in action. How can war be good? Delighting in the suffering of everyone?
Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
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Re: Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
#22The problem is that while RISC-V may deliver an excellent open ISA, there is no equivalent open solution for the GPU/display controller side. As I understand it, the GPU world is full of patents and dominated by just a few parties. I don't think there's something that Huawei or other Chinese manufacturers could easily start with and extend. So I can see RISC-V being ideal for applications that are not user facing or…
Re: Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? a diverse ecosystem of silicon with some actual competition is going to help get us out of this US-centric intel/amd world where all laptops are essentially the same
It appears likely that Apple will be transitioning to ARM for its laptops in the future so regardless we should start seeing architecture diversity in laptops.
RISC-V will bring much needed diversity to spaces currently dominated by two titans.
Re: Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
#24The problem is that while RISC-V may deliver an excellent open ISA, there is no equivalent open solution for the GPU/display controller side. As I understand it, the GPU world is full of patents and dominated by just a few parties. I don't think there's something that Huawei or other Chinese manufacturers could easily start with and extend. So I can see RISC-V being ideal for applications that are not user facing or…
I think there is room for an open source straightforward GPU based on the standard principles. Although maybe there is patent licensing between all the parties that I am not aware of.
Re: Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
#25The problem is that while RISC-V may deliver an excellent open ISA, there is no equivalent open solution for the GPU/display controller side. As I understand it, the GPU world is full of patents and dominated by just a few parties. I don't think there's something that Huawei or other Chinese manufacturers could easily start with and extend. So I can see RISC-V being ideal for applications that are not user facing or…
This is not popular to say, but it is accurate and my statements are sourced. Feel free to provide rebutting evidence if you disagree.
[0]: https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/china-us-trump-t...
[1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-in-5-companies-say-china-s...
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent...
Re: Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
#26The problem is that while RISC-V may deliver an excellent open ISA, there is no equivalent open solution for the GPU/display controller side. As I understand it, the GPU world is full of patents and dominated by just a few parties. I don't think there's something that Huawei or other Chinese manufacturers could easily start with and extend. So I can see RISC-V being ideal for applications that are not user facing or…
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Re: Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
#27The problem is that while RISC-V may deliver an excellent open ISA, there is no equivalent open solution for the GPU/display controller side. As I understand it, the GPU world is full of patents and dominated by just a few parties. I don't think there's something that Huawei or other Chinese manufacturers could easily start with and extend. So I can see RISC-V being ideal for applications that are not user facing or…
GPUs have sort of plateaued except for the raytracing component. There are quite a few vendors, Mali from ARM, Adreno from Qualcomm, PowerVR from Imagination, NVIDIA's GeForce, AMD's Radeon, Intel's integrated stuff, and then there is a few more smaller players (what Matrox, Broadcom, etc.) I think there is room for an open source straightforward GPU based on the standard principles. Although maybe there is patent li…
What? As far as I understood it, CPUs had plateaued outside of efficiencies, GPU power still follows Moore's. Generational benchmarks show big leaps in every new arch on userbenchmark, whereas CPUs from 7 or 8 years ago are only marginally slower (SC) than modern ones.
Re: Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
#28I don't understand the tech well enough to know how much of a fairy tale or hope and a prayer strategy this is. But calling it "seeks independence" is some incredibly positive spin which makes me suspicious of the claims.
If these other chips are so good, wouldn't you go ahead and migrate to them for the actual benefits rather than researching them as a backup plan?
Re: Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
What OS would they run?
A Linux distro probably, at least initially.
Even today, with hardly any hardware, there's (to various degree of completion): Debian, Fedora, Slackware, FreeBSD, and seL4.
Re: Huawei Seeks Independence from the US with RISC-V and Ascend Chips
#30The problem is that while RISC-V may deliver an excellent open ISA, there is no equivalent open solution for the GPU/display controller side. As I understand it, the GPU world is full of patents and dominated by just a few parties. I don't think there's something that Huawei or other Chinese manufacturers could easily start with and extend. So I can see RISC-V being ideal for applications that are not user facing or…
This would be a impediment typically, but considering they're blackballed already, how beholden are they to patents? Block imports? Think that's being done already. Requiring US companies to not do business with them? That's being done already.
At this point, they just have to ride out the US/China trade war and then when things are being negotiated, I imagine a "turn a blind eye" to Huawei is going to be given. They're gimped in some ways, but in others they've probably never been more free.