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Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by telesilla »

atorodius wrote: post #212
telesilla wrote: post #103

I'm preparing a large dinner for an organisation at the moment and decided that we'd make the menu vegan/vegetarian (we use a wonderful Italian caterer, so flavour isn't going to be missed). When I mentioned it to some omnivore colleagues, they asked why and I shrugged and said "the Amazon is burning". They shrugged back and said, makes sense. It's not many years since I would have expected complaints at not catering…

I cook vegetarian Italian food myself often but honestly find that the cuisine is still very much meat based. Good luck finding a vegetarian main dish ("secondo") in Italy (outside of Milano).

Risotto al funghi/asparagus/squash...

Pasta con pesto/pomodoro/grilled veges/spinach/cheeses..

Aubergine Parmigiana

Pizza/Calzone..

Minestrone/Zuppa de../Ciammotta

I mean, that's without even looking at a cookbook.

I find Italy itself (particularly more southern) far more accommodating to my diet than Italian restaurants outside of Italy.

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Post by Djvacto »

siffland wrote: post #190
telesilla wrote: post #103

I'm preparing a large dinner for an organisation at the moment and decided that we'd make the menu vegan/vegetarian (we use a wonderful Italian caterer, so flavour isn't going to be missed). When I mentioned it to some omnivore colleagues, they asked why and I shrugged and said "the Amazon is burning". They shrugged back and said, makes sense. It's not many years since I would have expected complaints at not catering…

I am probably misinformed, but i thought the amazon buring was allegedly due to making more farmland?

I think it's a little less direct than that, in this case. The Amazon Rainforest is a big source of cleaning CO2 out of the air (lots of trees). It's burning, which means our CO2 footprint matters even more than before. So, anything to reduce that is then good.

Also, a lot of farmland is used to grow feed for cattle and other livestock, and it's much less efficient than using the land to grow crops for people instead.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by the-dude »

telesilla wrote: post #103

I'm preparing a large dinner for an organisation at the moment and decided that we'd make the menu vegan/vegetarian (we use a wonderful Italian caterer, so flavour isn't going to be missed). When I mentioned it to some omnivore colleagues, they asked why and I shrugged and said "the Amazon is burning". They shrugged back and said, makes sense. It's not many years since I would have expected complaints at not catering…

Or maybe they realized you are off the cliff and not to be reasoned with?

The Amazon burns every year.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by bad_user »

parf02 wrote: post #232
bad_user wrote: post #223

I think the fake meat movement will go the way of Margarine. Initially it's celebrated as a feat of engineering and as the healthy alternative to meat. After about 10 to 20 years however, we'll see cancer and heart disease rates going up. And then the billions of dollars spent in health care will pile up, but nobody will readily admit it, because the fuck up will be even bigger than with Margarine. After all, Margari…

Margarine without trans fats is readily available and can be a healthier fat than butter though. But I agree the initial, high trans-fat margarines were bad. Red meat is not very hard to beat in terms of negative health outcomes, so I doubt plant-based meats will be as horrid as the initial margarine put to market.

> Margarine without trans fats is readily available and can be a healthier fat than butter though

No.

> high trans-fat margarines were bad

There's no such thing as "high trans-fats". Industrial trans fats, like from margarine or other ultra-processed products, is unsafe in any quantity, low or high. There is indeed a principle of toxicology that "the dose makes the poison", however in case of trans fats that dose is really, really low.

Also trans fats are indeed contained, in small doses, in natural foods as well. But it's not the same thing: https://chriskresser.com/can-some-trans-fats-be-healthy/

> Red meat is not very hard to beat in terms of negative health outcomes

There is in fact no tangible proof that red meat has negative health outcomes. All you have are surrogate markers and some poor and old observational studies that can't be reproduced in randomized controlled trails.

Also see:

https://examine.com/nutrition/does-red-meat-cause-cancer/

https://examine.com/nutrition/scientists-just-found-that-red...

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by yters »

ceejayoz wrote: post #209
yters wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do 'beyond meat' and 'plant based' communicate 'there is absolutely no meat in this product'? They do not in the English lexicon within my head.

"Beyond Meat" is the brand name, and I suspect that's perfectly clear to people. No one buying "Land O'Lakes" butter expects to open the box and find a diorama of Minnesota inside. I also suspect people who deem beef burgers "plant-based" on a colloquial level are few and far between.

Assuming I am a person, 'beyond meat' is not perfectly clear to people.

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Post by anonymouswacker »

bad_user wrote: post #223

I think the fake meat movement will go the way of Margarine. Initially it's celebrated as a feat of engineering and as the healthy alternative to meat. After about 10 to 20 years however, we'll see cancer and heart disease rates going up. And then the billions of dollars spent in health care will pile up, but nobody will readily admit it, because the fuck up will be even bigger than with Margarine. After all, Margari…

The fake meat movement is just a cash grab for those who want to eat like crap but feel good about themselves.

Looking at the ingredients list, it's pretty obvious that cancer/heart disease will go up.

I've already got a long-term Put Option on $BYND because not even the CEO or big celebrity investors believe it is a good long-term bet -- cashing out at its peak a few weeks back.

Given the relative ease of spreading information about its deleterious health effects of their products, I think it's a house of cards that will fail, the sooner, the better...

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by tptacek »

wolco wrote: post #217
tptacek wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the first half of that comment and not the second? Local chicken is generally "better" than supermarket chicken. That doesn't make supermarket chicken "shitty"; supermarket-grade chicken is necessarily what most people are going to eat, most of the time. It has for more than half a century been our standard, and our standard is better than what preceded it. You can always do better. But I'd like to see a…

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-KFC-bad-for-our-health Summary, too much fat, salt, antibiotics. Chicken tastes watery because they soak it in salt.

You mean they brine it? Like home cooks have been urged to do by Cooks Illustrated for 20 years?

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by yifanl »

yters wrote: post #171
astura wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't clearly labeled? https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Meat-Burger-0-5/dp/B074YGZ77H

None of those terms tell me 'there is no meat in this product'.

Could you define "meat"?

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Post by roland35 »

wil421 wrote: post #133

Why do American (and presumably westerners) vegetarians want to replace meat? I hated vegan and vegetarian food for song long until I ate meat free Indian food. It was always the meat replacements like veggie patties and tofurkey type products that turned me away. Indian food doesn’t have some weird mystery replacement I find on almost every vegan or veggie dish. I had a conversation with and Indian colleague who liv…

I used to eat veggie burgers and fake chicken tenders, but you are right going with a true vegetarian recipe is always better than just taking a meat dish and using fake meat!

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Post by Kaveren »

bradbeattie wrote: post #243
Kaveren wrote: post #139

I can't understand how people enjoy this fake food. It just can't match the original taste. This sort of food is extremely unhealthy, and vegans will never be able to get the protein they need to survive. We should not encourage the appeasing of certain niche markets, the radicals must be made to realize that normal KFC is just a fact of life.

How long do you suppose vegans could go before they die from lack of protein? A month? A year? 10 years?

They will not literally die but they will not be healthy at all, many of them will likely live less than non-vegans. It is a dangerous lifestyle motivated by poor reasoning.
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