Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’ • Hacker News Board

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by pkaye » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:15 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #119

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McDonalds changed it to use white boneless chicken a few years back.

That was a misleading marketing push. Here is their exact wording: > Our tender, juicy Chicken McNuggets are made with 100% white meat chicken and no artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Made WITH not made OF. Meaning all the meat within a McDonalds nugget is 100% white chicken meat, not that ALL of a McDonald's nugget is 100% chicken. It is designed to be misread/misunderstood. McNuggets still don't contain…

I find the Chick-Fil-A stuff tends to have way to much sodium. I just can't tolerate that saltiness.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by ryacko » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:16 PM UTC

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Because the meat you buy in the grocery store goes bad after a few days, and (here is where I think parent is being slightly intellectually dishonest) while it is true that the fast food companies certainly source their meats from authentic, standard-holding institutions, that's only the beginning. That isn't to say the rounds of processing and preservation that occurs afterwards. You can't just buy a McDonalds chick…

My favorite thing was when Wendy's did its "never frozen" campaign. As if freezing was the problem . It's not going to magically last just as long if you don't freeze it, you have to close that gap with more preservatives.

Meat can last a long time without rotting, it just loses flavor faster compared to other foods.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by tptacek » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

icxa wrote: post #192

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That is why McDonalds undergoes the painstaking process of sanitizing their meat with an ammonia wash (prompted by the 90's nationwide beef e-coli outbreaks that resulted in serious litigation against popular burger joints), then adding in artificial flavorings back in to make it taste like a burger again (furthermore this is how McDonalds achieves that "miraculous" feat often described here when this topic comes up…

Full disclaimer: Info coming from a variety of sources: some documentaries which I know have their own inaccuracies, some my own personal experience in food service, and specifically working at McDonalds, and some having an ex-girlfriend of 3 years who was the district manager of another international large fast food burger chain, so by chance that gleaned me a lot of insight into the inner workings of fast food burg…

McDonalds does in fact use 100% USDA-inspected beef, with "no fillers, additives, or preservatives", and explicitly does not use mechanically separated meat. It's not "organic", but then, most beef isn't.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by jasonvorhe » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

wil421 wrote: post #133

Why do American (and presumably westerners) vegetarians want to replace meat? I hated vegan and vegetarian food for song long until I ate meat free Indian food. It was always the meat replacements like veggie patties and tofurkey type products that turned me away. Indian food doesn’t have some weird mystery replacement I find on almost every vegan or veggie dish. I had a conversation with and Indian colleague who liv…

Because it's a great way to transport taste, whether it's tofu, Seitan or something like Beyond Meat/Impossible Burger. Yes, you can prepare awesome veggie food without it, but it's a great way to get people started without having to miss anything.

Kebab/Döner without veggie-meat just doesn't do anything for me, for example.

I don't get why people are confused about this. You've grown up with certain expectations of how food is being prepared so it should be obvious that you're interested in supplementing the parts that you don't want to eat anymore with something that's compatible with the way you've been preparing food your whole life.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by Corrado » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:18 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #135

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Can you make a clearer, better-cited case for "low cost chains serve meat that could barely even be called meat"? KFC serves (primarily) whole muscle chicken†, and the general US appetite for "dark meat" chicken is so low that we've been accused of "dumping" it on other countries and messing up their markets --- KFC seems to have no trouble sourcing its inputs effectively. KFC's suppliers include all the major chicke…

Do you know why people think it's bad meat compared to the supermarket? Is it just the general attitude society has developed towards fast-food and big business? I don't mind KFC but Taco Bell meat always seemed a bit...off and low quality.

Taco Bell's "ground beef" is listed as "fit for human consumption" in the back-end systems.

[Former Yum! engineer]

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by kitsunesoba » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

wil421 wrote: post #133

Why do American (and presumably westerners) vegetarians want to replace meat? I hated vegan and vegetarian food for song long until I ate meat free Indian food. It was always the meat replacements like veggie patties and tofurkey type products that turned me away. Indian food doesn’t have some weird mystery replacement I find on almost every vegan or veggie dish. I had a conversation with and Indian colleague who liv…

Indian food is amazing, but I also don’t want to give up the experience that is a good burger. In an ideal world, taking up a vegetarian diet wouldn’t restrict me to traditionally vegetarian foods, but would also have close analogues to the meat dishes I enjoyed before. That’s where the substitutes come in.

I think it’s great that these substitutes are being seriously developed because even though they may not be good replications today, they eventually will be, and this will allow meat to stars to have their cake and eat it too when going vegetarian.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by szatkus » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

Tade0 wrote: post #196

szatkus wrote: post #6

Is there any plans to expand Beyond Meat, well, beyond USA?

From your comments I gather you're Polish. Krowarzywa offers Beyond burgers. 29-34PLN - depends on the location. Also if you're in Warsaw then "Restauracja Zielona" in Arkadia has them as well.

Thanks. Weird that they described it as "Kotlet z białka grochu". I didn't know it's based on pea protein, the brand is much more recognizable.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by atorodius » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

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>we use a wonderful Italian caterer, so flavour isn't going to be missed A non meat dish is still going to taste like a non-meat dish. Perhaps your colleagues were just being polite and avoiding treading into politically charged territory after you brought up the Amazon. Personally I'm a picky eater and vegan/vegetarian dishes simply do not compare to meat. I'm sure others feel similarly. Though for one meal I suppos…

I honestly don't understand why it's such a big deal that so many people insist meat must be part of a meal? To the degree that in Argentina they say "si no hay carne, no hay comida" (if there is no meat, it is not a meal). It feels like if I insisted on having bread at every table sitting. Clearly, it can be seen as just a habit and not a requirement?

I always assumed it's historical. meat = wealth

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by ceejayoz » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:20 PM UTC

yters wrote: post #175

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> All meat is plant based :) This is a bad-faith argument.

How do 'beyond meat' and 'plant based' communicate 'there is absolutely no meat in this product'? They do not in the English lexicon within my head.

"Beyond Meat" is the brand name, and I suspect that's perfectly clear to people. No one buying "Land O'Lakes" butter expects to open the box and find a diorama of Minnesota inside.

I also suspect people who deem beef burgers "plant-based" on a colloquial level are few and far between.

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Post by NoGravitas » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 6:20 PM UTC

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The milk industrial complex feels very strongly about it, and has litigated ruthlessly to prevent non-mammal produced milk from having the word milk in it

... and that's despite the fact that non-cow milks have been around and called "milk" for many centuries. For example, almond milk has been used in Western European cooking on Fridays and during Lent.

Almond milk also was a staple of European baking for centuries before pasteurization, because you couldn't always know that you would have fresh milk on hand when you needed it for baking.