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The flawed three-cueing system for teaching reading

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Re: The flawed three-cueing system for teaching reading

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Nginx I still pronounce as "en-jinks" to myself and have to be guarded to remember to say "engine-ex". MySQL had never been "my see-kwull" to me but always "my ess-queue-ell". Then there's Linux ...

Welcome to the enjinks club :). The reverse is also happening to me - it has become very hard to see furniture advertised as latex, and read lay-tax, not la-tech.

Um, don't tell me LaTeX isn't "lay-tex"?

Re: The flawed three-cueing system for teaching reading

#162

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Welcome to the enjinks club :). The reverse is also happening to me - it has become very hard to see furniture advertised as latex, and read lay-tax, not la-tech.

Um, don't tell me LaTeX isn't "lay-tex"?

It isn't: https://www.latex-project.org/about/

Re: The flawed three-cueing system for teaching reading

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I think this article is missing some basics. I know, for example, that Lucy Calkins’ program has a phonics program in _addition_ to the parts referenced in this article.

The article specifically addresses the problems with mixing cueing and phonics when teaching reading.

Re: The flawed three-cueing system for teaching reading

#164
so obviously a scam to destroy public schools and handicap the working class children. if you want to fix this just force the wealthy kids to attend public schools. the reason why the wealthy actively are destroying public institutions is because they are not using it.

Re: The flawed three-cueing system for teaching reading

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> Phonetic spelling is probably the greatest invention in written languages since paper. Paper dates to about 100 AD. The Greek alphabet, which is the first full alphabet (that records both vowels and consonants), dates to about 800 BC. Therefore, phonetic spelling predates paper by at least 900 years. Possibly older, if you want to count later cuneiform (which is mostly a syllabary) or Egyptian or Phoenician (abjads…

Papyrus dates back much further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus

Akkadian was written with phonetic cuneiform from maybe 2500 BCE.

Re: The flawed three-cueing system for teaching reading

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> 1. no concept of reading, context is not helpful > 2. start to read, use context to cover any weaknesses and gaps > 3. become fluent reader, no longer need context to cover weaknesses and gaps. That's completely not how you learn to read. Step 2. is start to learn what sounds to make when you are seeing given combination of letters. And then learn gradually how to make the sounds faster and for longer sequences of…

I... don't agree. Context is noticeably awkward when you get it wrong, and I'd say the article appears to have identified this as a problem and presents it as "this is a problem therefore it must be fixed". But, most of the time, there is not that awkwardness: context is extremely helpful to learners - of any subject. It also appears that you are describing how to learn to read in an alphabetic system - so it's not i…

Context is noticeably awkward when a reader already knows how to read. Take the example in the article.

> But Rodney said: "My dog likes to lick his bone."

The context makes perfect sense and matches the picture. The issue is 'Rodney' didn't actually read half the words.

Re: The flawed three-cueing system for teaching reading

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> 1. no concept of reading, context is not helpful > 2. start to read, use context to cover any weaknesses and gaps > 3. become fluent reader, no longer need context to cover weaknesses and gaps. That's completely not how you learn to read. Step 2. is start to learn what sounds to make when you are seeing given combination of letters. And then learn gradually how to make the sounds faster and for longer sequences of…

I... don't agree. Context is noticeably awkward when you get it wrong, and I'd say the article appears to have identified this as a problem and presents it as "this is a problem therefore it must be fixed". But, most of the time, there is not that awkwardness: context is extremely helpful to learners - of any subject. It also appears that you are describing how to learn to read in an alphabetic system - so it's not i…

During my learning one could often hear teacher saying "Oi! Read! Don't make stuff up!"

I think kids should be rather discouraged than encouraged to rely on context.

Re: The flawed three-cueing system for teaching reading

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I... don't agree. Context is noticeably awkward when you get it wrong, and I'd say the article appears to have identified this as a problem and presents it as "this is a problem therefore it must be fixed". But, most of the time, there is not that awkwardness: context is extremely helpful to learners - of any subject. It also appears that you are describing how to learn to read in an alphabetic system - so it's not i…

Context is noticeably awkward when a reader already knows how to read. Take the example in the article. > But Rodney said: "My dog likes to lick his bone." The context makes perfect sense and matches the picture. The issue is 'Rodney' didn't actually read half the words.

I did read the article and was referring to exactly that. This happened once to this child and so I'd call it cherry-picking. It's not as easy to observe when context is helpful as when it fails.

As an adult, I probably only read about half the words in a useful e-mail. (hopefully with more skill than a child reading a picture book). I wouldn't call that an issue.

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