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Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by mprev »

chasd00 wrote: post #26

I really like the site. How did you come up with 7 days as a trial period? Seems like it may take longer than a week for someone to really see the value. I could be totally wrong though.

We’ve been through several CRM evaluations since Highrise went into maintenance-updates only.

During that time, we’ve seen some terribly unintuitive software and other offerings that look as though they’ll be great but lack some key feature.

Every CRM has a gotcha that you won’t find until you use it in anger.

IMO, seven days is not enough but I also think no evaluation is long enough unless you have the resources to run it fully in parallel to your existing process.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by aidos »

skrebbel wrote: post #27

A while ago I used Hubspot CRM for a bit. I think it's slow and quirky, and to me it's a big red flag how hard they make it to get the data out (or, well, 2 years ago at least). But Hubspot gets one thing right that I never understood other CRMs can't do. If Hubspot sees an email from name@company.com, they automatically make a new contact for that name, and a new organization for that company (derived from the @comp…

The few bits of automation hubspot do have, you end up fighting to behave well. It’s so hard to organise data in hubspot that you’ll end up negating any benefits from the automation. In my experience, it all becomes messy quickly.

I’d probably rank it as the worst bit of software I’ve ever used. The apis are inconsistent and incomplete. You can have multiple email addresses for a contact, but you can never extract them over the api and the only the primary is treated as a first class citizen. The interface somehow manages to portray the least amount of useful information in the largest amount of space I’ve ever seen. Updating anything is so painful that it’s hard to motivate yourself to do it.

/rant

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by drikerf »

mprev wrote: post #41
chasd00 wrote: post #26

I really like the site. How did you come up with 7 days as a trial period? Seems like it may take longer than a week for someone to really see the value. I could be totally wrong though.

We’ve been through several CRM evaluations since Highrise went into maintenance-updates only. During that time, we’ve seen some terribly unintuitive software and other offerings that look as though they’ll be great but lack some key feature. Every CRM has a gotcha that you won’t find until you use it in anger. IMO, seven days is not enough but I also think no evaluation is long enough unless you have the resources to…

If you're on the trial and need more time to evaluate. Just let me know :).

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by cik »

mprev wrote: post #41
chasd00 wrote: post #26

I really like the site. How did you come up with 7 days as a trial period? Seems like it may take longer than a week for someone to really see the value. I could be totally wrong though.

We’ve been through several CRM evaluations since Highrise went into maintenance-updates only. During that time, we’ve seen some terribly unintuitive software and other offerings that look as though they’ll be great but lack some key feature. Every CRM has a gotcha that you won’t find until you use it in anger. IMO, seven days is not enough but I also think no evaluation is long enough unless you have the resources to…

Exactly this. We actually ended up rolling our own internally, as a quick project. It's just as bad as everything we hated, and has some of the features we loved. At the same time, it costs nothing now - so we've committed to using it.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by austhrow743 »

luka-birsa wrote: post #3

Went to check the landing page, looks nice. Does not answer why I would choose this over all the other 1000000 of CRM offerings (just in our office we tried Zoho, Close.io, Salesforce, Pipedrive,....). Plus, not fully sold on the "Built to last - Wobaka is like your favorite craft beer or artisan coffee. Made with love and hand-picked ingredients. No mega-corp here." pitch. Great effort tho.

Yeah I wouldn't draw attention to the concept of software longevity anywhere. New SAAS by a solo developer is not what I think of when I think of things that will last.

OP you're just straight up not going to get people for who stability is a priority any time soon. Your target market is people who like to fiddle with their work tools, likely beyond pragmatism and in to productivity as a hobby territory. Guy that wants to get his organisation on to something and know he wont have to think about it again, ie the guy who cares about "built to last", is going to go Salesforce and call it a day.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by drikerf »

mrunkel wrote: post #29
drikerf wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey! Thanks for the feedback! There will be an api later on. I'm building this for small businesses, so I don't want to bother them with enterprise features they won't use :).

I think you may be underestimating the need for an API. We're a small company (17 employees) and we wouldn't consider it without an API. Remember lots of systems generate leads/customers, so if you don't want to provide tools for all those various systems, you need to offer an API. Also on your sign up page, there's a typo: "Wobaka cost way less than lost deals" should be "Wobaka costs way less than lost deals" Unles…

Thanks, I fixed the typo now :).

As I mentioned, there will be an API soon (same as I'm using for the frontend). Just have to document it.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by santoshalper »

cik wrote: post #44
mprev wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’ve been through several CRM evaluations since Highrise went into maintenance-updates only. During that time, we’ve seen some terribly unintuitive software and other offerings that look as though they’ll be great but lack some key feature. Every CRM has a gotcha that you won’t find until you use it in anger. IMO, seven days is not enough but I also think no evaluation is long enough unless you have the resources to…

Exactly this. We actually ended up rolling our own internally, as a quick project. It's just as bad as everything we hated, and has some of the features we loved. At the same time, it costs nothing now - so we've committed to using it.

"At the same time, it costs nothing now"

Lol.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by eitland »

eden_h wrote: post #9

It's pretty! The Basecamp styling is really clear, and it's nice to see the interface on display There's a few unanswered questions that I hope it's helpful to point out; * Importers -> If I want to switch, how long will it take me to move from a potential system (Excel, Google Sheets, Salesforce, etc) into Wobaka? * Integrations -> If I send an email can that come from my Outlook Gmail and be shown? Can I see emails…

> The Basecamp styling is really clear, and it's nice to see the interface on display

Promising. Anyone who seems to take inspiration from Basecamp is worth at least 30 extra seconds consideration in my book.

Basecamp is the company behind Rails and they were IMO one of the driving forces that made Ajax accessible and web application developement enjoyable.

Their UX was (and probably is) good, and their business philosophy flies right in the face of "unicorn or nothing" which means I wish more people would learn from them. Heh, I realize I'm probably not meant to say that here, but based on previous experience I expect it to be tolerated : )

- Signed: a Java (and other languages) developer that is happy for Rails

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by rrggrr »

As someone who evaluates CRMs pretty much for a living I'm sad to report there's nothing new here. Great UI - Kudos. But, this is way more expensive than Pipedrive whose UI is arguably as user friendly. I think you've got potential here... but you're priced same as close.io with far fewer features and a similar UI.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by dpcan »

chasd00 wrote: post #26

I really like the site. How did you come up with 7 days as a trial period? Seems like it may take longer than a week for someone to really see the value. I could be totally wrong though.

Agreed, 7 days doesn't seem like enough time. Maybe they should make it so your first 3 leads/deals are free to see if it works start to finish.
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