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Re: Global spam e-mail levels suddenly fall

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Post by stcredzero » Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 2:17 AM UTC

derleth wrote: post #29

stcredzero wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What people don't like to admit about spam, is that it created value for somebody. This is why some people clicked on the ads and why others profited. SEO Spam creates value. Unfortunately, it also degrades value for a great many others. There is opportunity here. Google or some other search engine needs to figure out how to capture the value in SEO spam. (Perhaps by finding a way to identify "original pages" like th…

> What people don't like to admit about spam, is that it created value for somebody. This is why some people clicked on the ads and why others profited. By this same logic, you can justify the heroin trade, the slave trade, and the child pornography trade.

Why is everyone umping to the conclusion that I'm justifying SEO spam? I'm only saying it creates value. (While destroying some for others.) This means that it can be co-opted.

Re: Global spam e-mail levels suddenly fall

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Post by tomrod » Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 5:05 AM UTC

derleth wrote: post #29

stcredzero wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What people don't like to admit about spam, is that it created value for somebody. This is why some people clicked on the ads and why others profited. SEO Spam creates value. Unfortunately, it also degrades value for a great many others. There is opportunity here. Google or some other search engine needs to figure out how to capture the value in SEO spam. (Perhaps by finding a way to identify "original pages" like th…

> What people don't like to admit about spam, is that it created value for somebody. This is why some people clicked on the ads and why others profited. By this same logic, you can justify the heroin trade, the slave trade, and the child pornography trade.

Yaye for libertarianism! Oh wait, these things are a net-negative for society and those involved. Never mind, argument is null.

Re: Global spam e-mail levels suddenly fall

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Post by TeHCrAzY » Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 6:08 AM UTC

pmichaud wrote: post #14

Weird, I've started getting more spam in my inbox than ever before. My gmail used to be entirely clean, and now I get a few messages daily that sneak past the filter.

I've only noticed this past the new year. Perhaps some of the "learnt" filtering has an expiry of some sort?

Re: Global spam e-mail levels suddenly fall

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Post by stcredzero » Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 2:35 PM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #32

derleth wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What people don't like to admit about spam, is that it created value for somebody. This is why some people clicked on the ads and why others profited. By this same logic, you can justify the heroin trade, the slave trade, and the child pornography trade.

Yaye for libertarianism! Oh wait, these things are a net-negative for society and those involved. Never mind, argument is null.

a) Not libertarian b) Not justifying SEO spam, but rather pointing out that there's an economic opportunity in disrupting it!

Re: Global spam e-mail levels suddenly fall

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Post by jokermatt999 » Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 6:53 PM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #32

derleth wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What people don't like to admit about spam, is that it created value for somebody. This is why some people clicked on the ads and why others profited. By this same logic, you can justify the heroin trade, the slave trade, and the child pornography trade.

Yaye for libertarianism! Oh wait, these things are a net-negative for society and those involved. Never mind, argument is null.

Obvious trolling, but the slave trade and child pornography probably wouldn't be down with most libertarian principles. The core I've seen from most libertarian folks is "Do what you want to yourself, but don't harm other people." Slavery and child pornography are fairly obviously harming others. Heroin is trickier.

Re: Global spam e-mail levels suddenly fall

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Post by derleth » Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 9:50 PM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #32

derleth wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What people don't like to admit about spam, is that it created value for somebody. This is why some people clicked on the ads and why others profited. By this same logic, you can justify the heroin trade, the slave trade, and the child pornography trade.

Yaye for libertarianism! Oh wait, these things are a net-negative for society and those involved. Never mind, argument is null.

No, more like 'yay for anarchism!'

Re: Global spam e-mail levels suddenly fall

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Post by tomrod » Sat, Jan 08, 2011, 8:10 PM UTC

jokermatt999 wrote: post #35

tomrod wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yaye for libertarianism! Oh wait, these things are a net-negative for society and those involved. Never mind, argument is null.

Obvious trolling, but the slave trade and child pornography probably wouldn't be down with most libertarian principles. The core I've seen from most libertarian folks is "Do what you want to yourself, but don't harm other people." Slavery and child pornography are fairly obviously harming others. Heroin is trickier.

Agreed