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America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

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Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

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“According to Hidenet, a leather markets research firm, a hide from a branded cow went for as little as $4 the week of July 15, down from as much as $81 just five years ago.” Wait, what? Consumer trends have shifted so radically in 5 years that even with a white hot economy leather prices have dropped by 20x?

Beef and hide are coupled goods. One cow produces about X kg of beef and Y m^2 of hide. If demand for beef is extra high, then it will depress the price of hide because the ratio in supply is roughly fixed between them. There are other examples in modern society. Chlorine and caustic soda are produced in strictly fixed ratios from NaCl salt and electricity. Extra demand for one will depress the price of the other. Th…

I can't help but get the sense that your economic materials analysis is based on a video game crafting economy. If the profitability of leather is low enough, then people will trash the raw hide but butcher and sell the beef. There's a lot of labor and logistics and materials that goes into producing the beef you cook or leather goods you buy beyond (cow) -> (meat,leather) -> (food,clothes). Remember, nobody knows how to make a pencil.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#72

“According to Hidenet, a leather markets research firm, a hide from a branded cow went for as little as $4 the week of July 15, down from as much as $81 just five years ago.” Wait, what? Consumer trends have shifted so radically in 5 years that even with a white hot economy leather prices have dropped by 20x?

It’s the intersection of high global demand for beef with its consequential byproduct of hides and the depressed appetite for leather goods in mature economies influenced by the long campaign against fur which coupled with vegetarianism and veganism have resulted in change in consumer behavior over time.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#73

I'm actually in the market for a leather jacket and boots right now, but I certainly haven't noticed prices going down at all. I'm finding leather jackets extremely difficult to shop for. Online advice is all over the place, and I want something to last a lifetime.

I can understand a reason why would you want something last a lifetime, but what about comfort? I've never had a leather jacket - they seem heavy and not really weatherproof. Something like merino hoodie + gore tex windbraker is my go to for last 4 years now. Absolutely love it.

It's true that leather jackets aren't very comfortable because they can't stretch. But they're definitely warm and proof of that is that they're worn by motorcyclists for ages. And then there is the fact that you can wear them in multiple occasions, from a social event to a casual stroll with your friends. You can even wear them with a tie.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#74
post #61

I'd be interested to know how much of this has to do with the dilution of the meaning of 'leather' in terms of consumer goods. The market is flooded with garbage products, which are produced by slicing a thin veneer of leather and gluing it to a plastic backing, which is then sold as "bonded leather." It's gotten so bad that full-grain leather products are exceedingly rare. Since 90% of "leather" products are such aw…

I had a really awesome leather belt that I got when I was 15. I stopped wearing it when I was 30 because my weight finally out outgrew the belt. Still have it. It's no worse today than it was when I got it as a teen. I go through about a belt a year now. Because I always seem to end up with this crap you describe. Even if I try to avoid it. Guess I need to do a better job looking... Or just lose some weight so I can…

The last time I got a couple of new belts it was from a little craft-type belt place in one of the London markets. They're great.

You might also have luck checking out cobblers. Some of them make belts and other leather goods on the side.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#75

I'm actually in the market for a leather jacket and boots right now, but I certainly haven't noticed prices going down at all. I'm finding leather jackets extremely difficult to shop for. Online advice is all over the place, and I want something to last a lifetime.

For serious hiking boots, might check out Limmer in New Hampshire. They make custom boots but I'm pretty sure they have off-the-shelf boots as well.

I have a pair of their custom boots that are about 20 years old and (with resoling and some repair) they're still great.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#76

This is a shame because if you search for leather goods online, you’ll find whole shops full of garbage quality leather called Premium Crafted Leather aka PU Leather. They take leather fibers and coat it in polyurethane to give it a “proper” finish. It’s disappointing to see a race to the bottom with leather quality when it seems like there’s no need for that.

Non-leather goods are even worse. It's really hard to find a vegan wallet and belt that isn't pretending to be leather in some inadequate way.

Vegan wallet? Sounds like a marketing ploy. Look for plastic or hemp or clothe if leather is off the table.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

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post #61

I'd be interested to know how much of this has to do with the dilution of the meaning of 'leather' in terms of consumer goods. The market is flooded with garbage products, which are produced by slicing a thin veneer of leather and gluing it to a plastic backing, which is then sold as "bonded leather." It's gotten so bad that full-grain leather products are exceedingly rare. Since 90% of "leather" products are such aw…

I had a really awesome leather belt that I got when I was 15. I stopped wearing it when I was 30 because my weight finally out outgrew the belt. Still have it. It's no worse today than it was when I got it as a teen. I go through about a belt a year now. Because I always seem to end up with this crap you describe. Even if I try to avoid it. Guess I need to do a better job looking... Or just lose some weight so I can…

Check out Tanner goods. Definitely buy it for life belts, wallets, etc.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

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I had a really awesome leather belt that I got when I was 15. I stopped wearing it when I was 30 because my weight finally out outgrew the belt. Still have it. It's no worse today than it was when I got it as a teen. I go through about a belt a year now. Because I always seem to end up with this crap you describe. Even if I try to avoid it. Guess I need to do a better job looking... Or just lose some weight so I can…

Check out Tanner goods. Definitely buy it for life belts, wallets, etc.

Life belts?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-belts/s?k=Life+belts

Belts for life??

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