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America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

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Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

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I would have a hard time without meat. There's so much food I don't like.

What do you eat besides meat? Since meat has the lowest energy density, you most likely get your energy from other sources anyway. Even if you eat 500g / 1lb per day for a 2000kcal target, you would still get 1500kcal from other food.

I think you have those reversed. Meat is incredibly packed with proteins and the calorie density is very high.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#32
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In World of Warcraft, there isn't any use for hides either. You can only cure them, but then there's nothing to do with the cured hides. The vendor price is static and set by Blizzard, though, so the prices don't change. I hope this comment has been useful to someone.

I would be sympathetic to the idea that in-game economies should try to be "real" except that Ultima Online tried that and it failed spectacularly (think: tragedy of the commons) and so they had to abandon it.

The in-game economy of WoW is "real" (only vendor prices are set; there's an auction house where prices are set by the players), but Blizzard has to come up with new stuff for players to burn gold with to control the predictable inflation.

To me the most blatant examples are mounts; in the last expansion they added a mount that costed 2M gold[]--when I thought it was crazy and that they couldn't possibly outmatch it, they came up with a 5M gold mount[] that was released in the next (current) expansion.

[]https://www.wowhead.com/item=137570/bloodfang-cocoon

[]https://www.wowhead.com/item=163042/reins-of-the-mighty-cara...

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#35

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Huge swaths of America still see meat as an every meal thing ( myself included), and beef is a large part of that.

I would have a hard time without meat. There's so much food I don't like.

I like most food and am also not able to stop eating meat. It's just too nice. We have cut our consumption a lot though.

Eventually eating only exceptional quality meat 2/3 days a week is fine for me.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#37
post #8

In World of Warcraft, there isn't any use for hides either. You can only cure them, but then there's nothing to do with the cured hides. The vendor price is static and set by Blizzard, though, so the prices don't change. I hope this comment has been useful to someone.

I would be sympathetic to the idea that in-game economies should try to be "real" except that Ultima Online tried that and it failed spectacularly (think: tragedy of the commons) and so they had to abandon it.

To be fair, Ultima Online’s economy was tanked by the innovation of bard/tamers and the Trammel ruleset introduced in Renaissance.

Massively increasing the supply by having it possible for players to trivialise the ransacking of dungeons without risk of losing their haul to PKers. Classic inflationary spiral.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#38

“According to Hidenet, a leather markets research firm, a hide from a branded cow went for as little as $4 the week of July 15, down from as much as $81 just five years ago.” Wait, what? Consumer trends have shifted so radically in 5 years that even with a white hot economy leather prices have dropped by 20x?

I assume cows are mostly raised and slaughtered for their meat, with leather as just a sort of bonus. That would mean that the supply is extremely inelastic: farmers won’t raise and slaughter noticeably fewer cows just because leather prices drop a lot, or more cows just because they jump a lot. That would imply that a small swing in demand could result in large changes in price.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#39

“According to Hidenet, a leather markets research firm, a hide from a branded cow went for as little as $4 the week of July 15, down from as much as $81 just five years ago.” Wait, what? Consumer trends have shifted so radically in 5 years that even with a white hot economy leather prices have dropped by 20x?

I wonder how much of this is because of the increase in cheaper faux leather, maybe even also combined with inflation, you may be paying the same numerical amount for poly leather as you did for genuine leather 20 years ago.

Also I guess if a company can cut costs by using the improved poly leather and the consumer doesn’t notice or care then that’s the move.

Re: America has no use for hides, so leather prices plunge

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you eat besides meat? Since meat has the lowest energy density, you most likely get your energy from other sources anyway. Even if you eat 500g / 1lb per day for a 2000kcal target, you would still get 1500kcal from other food.

I think you have those reversed. Meat is incredibly packed with proteins and the calorie density is very high.

Lean meat is has around 100 kcal per 100 grams. This is similar to most fruits and veg.

More fatty meat sits at around 230 kcal per 100 grams.

You'll find that carb sources are around 200-350 kcal per 100 gram and sweet process foods are around the top of this level.

So when the OP says that the calorie density in meat is low, they are correct in the case of lean meat.

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