I look forward to these being deployed in the 100 mile “border zone”
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/05/who-lives-in-border-p...
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really - they're surveilling a hell of a lot more than just the border, which is a 1-dimensional object. They're surveilling a Native American community that's in the USA, not on the border. They're basically building surveillance towers on the border and pointing many of the cameras towards the American side, where Americans live.
People cross the border into the reservation, it’s not a game of red-rover. It’s not surveillance the reservation per-she, but the people and objects crossing.
>per-she
per se, latin for "in itself"
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#13Surveillance of the border from a reservation. What a clickbait title.
It’s also being deployed along the US-Canada border. It was(?) also the preferred solution by the congress who favor them over “actual” walls.
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#14I honestly don't understand why the American people tolerate such influence within their borders. I guess the tyranny of distance is at play here - this reservation, as well as the other places patrolled by CBP stormtroopers, are out of sight and therefore out of mind for a majority of Americans. But its only a matter of time until someone gets up on the pulpit and starts complaining about 'external sovereign powers…
unfortunately, i don't know of any single border of any state or nation that was peacefully acquired or constituted. I don't think "modernity" has changed anything, no matter where you make it starts. If you want an example, then look at Israel, which is one of the first state that wasn't created unilaterally through force or as a result of war, but (at least initially) through a UN resolution from an assembly of sta…
Israel, while 'ratified' by the UN, created itself from force by defeating the surrounding opponents who tried to stop it from existing, continued to do so throughout its history with multiple wars against coalitions of enemies, and continues to develop its military deterrents today.
A handful of UN dopes sitting on the Golan Heights who have to run to Israel for safety when actual trouble from the region affects them do not deter anyone.
The UN recognition is nice, but israel would exist without it.
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#15Surveillance of the border from a reservation. What a clickbait title.
Not really - they're surveilling a hell of a lot more than just the border, which is a 1-dimensional object. They're surveilling a Native American community that's in the USA, not on the border. They're basically building surveillance towers on the border and pointing many of the cameras towards the American side, where Americans live.
IANAL but "Indian Law" is very complicated also as to what parts of federal law apply to reservations and which don't, and what sovereign rights the Tohono O'odham Nation has.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_Unit...
As someone living in Tucson, and having to go through these Border Patrol checkpoints, it does feel like they've gotten more aggressive over time. The last time I went through a checkpoint, they didn't even ask about citizenship, just wanted to run their dog over the car sniffing for drugs, which I feel is a 4th amendment violation, even though the supreme court probably disagrees.
I'm not sure if they have any legal recourse, but I'd love to hear a lawyer chime in. IANAL.
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#16I honestly don't understand why the American people tolerate such influence within their borders. I guess the tyranny of distance is at play here - this reservation, as well as the other places patrolled by CBP stormtroopers, are out of sight and therefore out of mind for a majority of Americans. But its only a matter of time until someone gets up on the pulpit and starts complaining about 'external sovereign powers…
unfortunately, i don't know of any single border of any state or nation that was peacefully acquired or constituted. I don't think "modernity" has changed anything, no matter where you make it starts. If you want an example, then look at Israel, which is one of the first state that wasn't created unilaterally through force or as a result of war, but (at least initially) through a UN resolution from an assembly of sta…
Israel was totally created from war, the 1948 war, and the 1967 war.
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#17The Tohono O’odham predate the border by about 10,000 years. But some powerful people with no knowledge of the land or its people drew a straight line on a map 150 years ago.
Supposedly yet more intrusion and division of their land is the only solution to some new problem someone else caused.
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#18The article, ahem hit piece, basically reports on surveillance commonplace along the border.
But, by picking a border reservation, the exact same surveillance is falsely setting CBP up as a bogeyman apparently racist towards natives - all of which is left unsubstantiated by the article.
The origin of surveillance tech is of no relevance, other than to malign Israel. What would change if the tech were from, say Canada? Nothing but the outage channeled at Israel.
Here's the entirety of the article without the undercurrent prodding outrage:
Surveillance towers capable of infrared tracking of humans for upto 1 mile are common along the border. Some borderland overlaps with Indian reservations.
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#19Surveillance of the border from a reservation. What a clickbait title.
“...a 160-foot surveillance tower capable of continuously monitoring every person and vehicle within a radius of up to 7.5 miles.” Sounds like it’s surveilling the reservation to me. The stated purpose is to monitor border crossings, but that’s not the same as surveillance of the border.
The reservation is roughly 60 x 60 miles and roughly squarish. So it appears that the surveillance is a few mile deep strip along its southern border.
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#20The article, ahem hit piece, basically reports on surveillance commonplace along the border. But, by picking a border reservation, the exact same surveillance is falsely setting CBP up as a bogeyman apparently racist towards natives - all of which is left unsubstantiated by the article. The origin of surveillance tech is of no relevance, other than to malign Israel. What would change if the tech were from, say Canada…
There are several other important points that your summary misses:
* A history of harassment by CBP towards inhabitants of the reservation which is driving people away.
* CBP is abusing this surveillance technology to monitor protestors.
* CBP lends its surveillance technology to other law enforcement agencies in a way that seems to have insufficient oversight and large potential for abuse.