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China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by dang »

bhhaskin wrote: post #131
mytailorisrich wrote: post #48

I don't know if this is a coincidence but Cathay Pacific is symbolic of colonial times. The founders were not Chinese, the main shareholder has always been British, the CEO until a week ago was British. It's always been a western (anglosphere) company operating in China/Asia, not a Chinese company and perhaps the Chinese authorities want to make clear that it is now a Chinese company.

Not sure if this is a coincidence, but your account is less than 65 days old and seem to mainly to post comments that are pro-Beijing. It's entirely possible that you have a bit of a bias in regards to Cathay Pacific.

This crosses into personal attack. Users aren't allowed to bully other users like that here, regardless of how strongly they disagree. Would you please review the site guidelines?

I'm sure your intention was a fine one, to protect the integrity of the community, but this kind of comment rapidly devolves into mob behavior, and we're seeing a lot of that right now.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dba7dba »

psychrometer wrote: post #134
chrischen wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple still has a large market share in China. Maybe Samsung just sucks and couldn’t compete against Huawei? Only reason Huawei hasn’t beat out Samsung in the US is because of anti-Huawei sentiment in the US.

Isn't the cause of Samsung's decline in China due to boycotts related to THAAD deployment in SK?

Yes. THAAD was the reason.

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Post by ngcc_hk »

The assault is real enough not just executives are gone and some employees are resigned (or fired?) due to their support of hk protestor. Not sure anyone has been fired if they post support of the police. But a related firm dragon air has top Union lady fired after confirming her holding a Facebook account.

The power of china given its economic power and land mass and no of people should wake up people. Unless there is a way to constrain it, if should be contained one way or the other.

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #83
AFascistWorld wrote: post #37

Samsung magically fell to zero market share in China in the span of 2 to 3 years, that's a warning to any company doing business in China, now they are targeting Fedex over the alleged intentional diversion to the US of some Huawei packages, when China is angry at Korea, Lotte and Samsung became sacrificial lambs to the pent-up ire, Fedex and maybe some other American campanies may be the new ones (Amazon narrowly es…

Yep, any western company that thinks the Chinese government is going to allow them to have a large market share in China long term is straight up delusional (or thinking so short term they don't care at all) Company after company has been raided for IP and forced out of China, stop falling for the siren song.

If only we had some sort of mechanism to force China to fall in line. Something that would have leveraged all of the economies of the pacific together against their tendencies... some sort of partnership. A trans-pacific partnership, if you will. Surely Trump wouldn't have backed out of such an agreement on his first day of office.

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

dangjc wrote: post #71

Why don't we form a new WTO, without China or other dictatorships, and only allow in democracies that are liberal or liberalizing? There's no point in opening our arms to China if they aren't moving on the right track anymore towards becoming a free and fair society.

We have to meet them halfway, too. Trumpism and its ilk isn't helping at all.

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #43
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't say "the west" because I think it's really "capitalism", but Global capitalism created this situation by deepening trade relationships with China to the point that we're all dependent on them to the point that there's very little leverage over their international behaviour. Look at how the PRC is behaving against Canada right now. Illegal torture-like detention of two of innocent Canadian citizens in China, i…

That is absolute bullshit. If Western countries had refused to trade with China for human-rights reasons, we'd be hearing accusations of economic imperialism! Now we're responsible for their ultra-nationalist authoritarian capitalism because we don't impose our imperial authority on them?

We're responsible in large part for withdrawing from the TPP, yes

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Post by PavlovsCat »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #185
jeremysalwen wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the 50 cent army ever came to HN, it would look like the above two comments.

With the regularity things get flagged off the front page, it's been here for ages.

For my neighbour comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cutlyk/who_is_mor...

As for the stuff that gets flagged off the front page, here's just random things I noticed, some were slightly penalized, some were sunk like a brick very quickly:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17756823 From laboratory in far west, China’s surveillance state spreads quietly

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18564433 Tracking China's Muslim Gulag

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18674885 China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19286107 Database Leak Gives Us a Window into China’s Digital Surveillance State

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19665495 China Spying on Undersea Internet Cables

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19714401 China is working to silence critics of its prisonlike re-education camps

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19712564 China Bans the Word 'Leica' on Social Media

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20278943 China Warns World Leaders: Don't Talk About the Hong Kong Protests

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20304526 I Felt the Fear of Abduction by China in Hong Kong. Appeasing Bejing Has to Stop

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20318279 China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20315905 They Come for Us at Night: China's Vanishing Muslims

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20336543 China's Vanishing Muslims: Undercover in World's Most Dystopian Place

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20466312 China Is Drafting Urgent Plan to Resolve Hong Kong Chaos, SCMP Says

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20578900 China's capital orders Arabic, Muslim symbols taken down

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20702738 Medium suspends account that investigates Chinese concentration camps

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20719470 Hong Kong protest: What is mainland China hearing?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20712762 A Walk in Hong Kong

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20740626 Removing Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior from China

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20748615 China’s Soft-Power Fail: Condemning Hong Kong’s Protests

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20777236 Why China’s assault on Cathay Pacific should scare all foreign firms

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20780772 Google refused to call out China over disinformation about Hong Kong

While all that is swept under the rug by user flags, that's not enough, some even complain that even the most fluffy criticism of China that manages to get discussed for a bit is some sign of some terrible bias. Goes with the territory, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IingQPPEh0

I'm a simple man: Never again means never again, no ifs and buts, no negotiations.

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