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Fair enough but it still does not reach a fair cross-section of society.
But is it fairer or less fair than the cross section of society represented by executives and board members who would be policy making if employees did nothing and just followed instructions?
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>The American political spectrum is way bigger than the political spectrum in most European countries. There's a lot more potential for deep disagreement in the US when people talk politics. Ummmm.... The entire American political spectrum fits in the center-right of most European countries' political spectrums. When was the last time you saw a political discussion between a Socialist, a Social Democrat, and an old-s…
Then there's Trump, who would be in one of the newer right-wing populist parties, and the religious fundamentalists who wouldn't fit into any party in most European countries.
The Freemasons figured this out over a century ago to good effect.
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Why do you feel the need to talk about sex at work or guns?
"Hey man, what did you do this weekend?" - "Not much, my husband and I went up to the cabin to spend some time hunting and fishing" For normal adults, that's just someone sharing their pleasant weekend... but others are triggered by implied gay sex and gun possession.
On the other hand, if someone asked me what I did on the weekend, I wouldn’t mention that I took part in (hypothetically) “Black Lives Matter” (highly political) or even was walking down the street proselytizing and trying to convince people to make God the head of their lives (highly religious) or that I was in the woods running around with Confederate flags trying to relive the glory of the Civil War (trust me, won’t ever happen.)
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> You dont want to talk about that stuff in the office, because there is not going to be any just solution. There are going to be asshats in the office that can't handle being wrong or the fact that not everyone is sharing their views. Political discussions aren't toxic - immature people who can't handle disagreement are. It is not great that we are letting those people ruin the workplace for the rest of us. I'm pret…
Utter nonsense - the lack of politcal discourse at work does not result in worse politics generally. Politics at work has long been a no no at most companies and there's no evidence to show this has caused the rise of any extremism. Work is where you get your work done. There is no room for you opinions on Trump etc, whether positive or negative. Your political views can very easily marginalise others especially when…
Work is where we spend a major part of our lives 8-9 hours per day five days per week. The idea that freedom of speech should be suspended for the duration is dumb. People aren't automatons and shouldn't be treated as such. It leads to the bizarre situation that you neither care for nor have anything in common with the people you spend the majority of your time with. The most interesting conversations you have is "I see it is raining outside." "Yes, it is raining." because people are so afraid of breaking the workplace decorum.
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So you would agree that since search is entirely technical, then search results by definition cannot present political bias? Personally I disagree with that claim, but if you feel that search is a wholly technical problem, I'd expect you to agree. And that doesn't even deal with the obviously political: laws like the right to be forgotten, or other forms of censorship like removals of content due to copyright. How to…
Search should be entirely technical. Sadly it’s currently not. As a user I want back the documents I’m looking for. If the engine has to adhere to local laws, fine but I want zero editorializing of results.
Of course! But converting from a search query to an ordered list of documents requires choices about ranking and filtering to be made.
If I search for "irs" do you include spam phone numbers attempting to steal my identity? There's distinct value to not returning garbage results, but how you do that is going to be called political by some people. And choosing not to do anything is going to be called political by others. There is no non-political choice, despite what you keep implying. Like, given a search query, you can't tell me the objectively correct set of results to return. If you could, you'd be very, very, very rich.
In the absence of that objective, perfect, "true" result, any choice is political in some way or another. Pick an algorithm and I'll happily explain to you a failure mode that is "political".
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>Many of my teammates are immigrants. Visa related uncertainty and progress are major parts of their lives. The H1-B renewal lottery colors all future plans. Finally getting a green card is like having a child or buying a house. Getting a Green Card shouldn't be that easy for H1B holders. An H1B visa is a temporary visa and in that time they should be transferring skill knowledge to American replacements.
sure buddy. and all the brains the US is importing every year are also just for knowledge transfer.
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If your assertion were true, all people who ever voiced a minority opinion would be fired and that’s clearly not true.
I think everyone else took notice that expressing conservative opinions in writing was a fireable offense.
I think people took notice that saying “women earn less money because their genes make them less good at stuff” is a fireable offense. I actually don’t believe conservatism has anything to do with it.
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I worked there for a similar length of time, but more recent (2012 - early 2019). The internal political discourse over that time definitely mirrored the rest of the world: becoming increasingly heated and divisive during 2016 and largely escalating since. On the whole, it felt like it pushed the company in a positive direction --- internal discussions mirroring #metoo led to more visibility of sexual harassment and…
Disclaimer: my comment below is directed at the culture of Google, and following in the train of thought from your comment. It's not directed at your comment or you. Reading this comment just makes me feel baffled. How much arrogance does it take for a bunch of Googlers to assume the belief that they know what is "just" for the rest of the world? An organization(in this case, a for-profit company) created to deliver…
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Tolerance of someone who wants to deny your whole existence is not something anyone should ever tolerate. That‘s not a virtue, that‘s madness and potentially suicidal.
So can we please not jump from "this person disagree with me or thinks something about my life choices are immoral" to "this person denies my whole existence"? Yes, there are some people who fall into the latter category. But there are others somewhere in between, and it might be useful to exchange world views and increase mutual understanding, and maybe even change some minds. I think it's ridiculous so many politic…
That’s what I mean when I say denying one’s existence. There is clear intent behind those words. I didn’t pick them arbitrarily. That’s a necessary condition for tolerance to become abhorrent.
You are either attacking some weird fantasy or you honestly believe that being gay† is a life choice.
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† This obviously includes everything heterosexual people are able to do with no one blinking an eye, like mentioning their partner in casual conversations, bringing their partner to work events when partners are allowed to attend, etc. That just logically follows. Obviously how openly you talk about your romantic partner to someone else is definitely a life choice – I’m just saying that it logically follows from being gay not being a life choice that gay people have to be tolerated to talk about their romantic partners as openly as heterosexual people. Or else there wouldn’t be equality at all.