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A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by jdietrich »

Tharkun wrote: post #44
buildzr wrote: post #5

> As the mechanism is unknown, it’s unclear what the actual danger is. Is it some byproduct of the nicotine cartidges, or THC ones? Is it the vapor itself? Is it only at certain temperatures or concentrations? Is it directly affecting the lungs or entering the bloodstream? No one knows yet — all they’ve seen is an sudden uptick in respiratory or pulmonary issues where the sufferer also uses vaping products. We've see…

I also remember reading about the heat of the coils causing "nano" copper particles to be released/inhaled, might be a contributing factor.

Most modern vaping devices use coils made of 316 grade stainless steel, which has no copper content. Unless you're doing something really stupid, the release of metal particles should be within OSHA limits by several orders of magnitude.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

bgeeek wrote: post #66
madaxe_again wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I vape - I buy only high quality liquids from a reputable manufacturer who extensively test all of their recipes. I find my lung function is 100x better than when I smoked. I did, however, once buy a THC liquid, from a “reputable” dark web dealer. It was bloody awful - found myself retching and hacking for days after a few small tokes, and it destroyed both the coil and the tank - sticky residue, carbon, bleurgh. So.…

Let's not confuse reputable with anything healthy, which is the danger of some of your statements, both quoted and unquoted. The largest tobacco manufacturers were reputable, but that didn't stop them from killing people.

This is a pertinent point for any idle readers.

Ex-smoker. The bad tobacco was so much worse, but it didn’t make the good tobacco healthy. It was just smoother and tasted better. It’s no “healthier”.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by ldoughty »

TomGullen wrote: post #64
madaxe_again wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I vape - I buy only high quality liquids from a reputable manufacturer who extensively test all of their recipes. I find my lung function is 100x better than when I smoked. I did, however, once buy a THC liquid, from a “reputable” dark web dealer. It was bloody awful - found myself retching and hacking for days after a few small tokes, and it destroyed both the coil and the tank - sticky residue, carbon, bleurgh. So.…

Me and my girlfriend exclusively vape vampire vape juices, how do we go about researching if the manufacturer is reputable and test all their recipes?

You read their website and pray they don't lie...

The only good way is somehow lucking out and finding an independent researcher that tests them without financial incentive from the company. Otherwise typically the findings will always be on favor because companies request preliminary data and pull funding to continue research if it looks bad so it doesn't get published

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by [deleted] »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #47
dr_dshiv wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social progress is prohibition or freedom of choice? What's the harm?

I think the harm is probably in the re-normalisation of nicotine addiction. I smoked for a long time, and went on a vape recently, but the ads everywhere (in Ireland/UK) for various vaping services and devices are pretty concerning. For me, it's harm reduction, but if non-smokers start vaping, that's a net loss.

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Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by jdietrich »

TomGullen wrote: post #64
madaxe_again wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I vape - I buy only high quality liquids from a reputable manufacturer who extensively test all of their recipes. I find my lung function is 100x better than when I smoked. I did, however, once buy a THC liquid, from a “reputable” dark web dealer. It was bloody awful - found myself retching and hacking for days after a few small tokes, and it destroyed both the coil and the tank - sticky residue, carbon, bleurgh. So.…

Me and my girlfriend exclusively vape vampire vape juices, how do we go about researching if the manufacturer is reputable and test all their recipes?

Buy from a European supplier - testing is mandatory and all e-cigarette products must be registered with the national healthcare regulator prior to sale. It's not an ironclad guarantee of safety, but we have an effective regulatory regime.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e-cigarettes-regulations-for-con...

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by imgabe »

taneq wrote: post #48
beardedman wrote: post #27

So I've been saying something like this for years now. HOW do we know something is not going wrong without any long term/clinical data (ESPECIALLY around these custom flavours that people sometimes roll out themselves)? I think it's completely presumptuous when people tout vaping as being much safer than cigarettes. We didn't all wake up one day knowing smoking was bad - it was a long road filled with politics, scien…

Honestly, I think switching from something which WILL kill you to something which might have as-yet-undiscovered long term health implications is an absolute win.

Not nearly as much of a win as not inhaling any smoke or vapor at all though. If vaping is a path to quitting altogether then that can be a win. If it's just a different vice then no. It's probably never going to be 100% safe to inhale foreign substances into your lungs

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by ceejayoz »

magoon wrote: post #54

“Vaping” can often mean people filling mod boxes (not Juuls) with any sort of juice containing anything. Articles and studies often include any random juice in any random shop, so there are endless unknowns. Juuls and many other pens contain limited ingredients, namely nicotine and propylene glycol. We already know what nicotine does. Propylene glycol is food safe and is also used in albuterol asthma inhalers.

Food safe and inhalation safe are not the same thing. Try vaping some habanero oil to have the difference made clear.

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Post by rubidium »

Alex3917 wrote: post #2

Meh. Even if they kill 100,000 Americans per year, that would probably be one of the greatest public health wins in history.

Maybe this is just my impression, but it seemed like smoking was falling out of favor among younger generations until vaping came along.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by Zenst »

However you look at this the take away from it all should be: Get a vape and liquid from a large reputable supplier (keep receipts) and should we suddenly find that this is the next product to have warning and danger signs slapped all over due to health concerns, you have a large reputable supplier you can sue, ala the original tobacco scandals.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by your-nanny »

james_s_tayler wrote: post #29
stjohnswarts wrote: post #3

It's waaaaaaaayyyyy early to blame this on "vape lung". Always be skeptical of people who have an agenda to eliminate something.

Radium. Cigarettes. Asbestos. We've seen it plenty of times when a product comes out and people with an agenda to make money off it say "buy this, it works" and then decades later it is discovered to have been toxic or harmful in some way. Especially given the nature of this product, skepticism should be the default position.

asbestos was used to make a safer filter: oops
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