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Re: Show HN: 2.5B people can’t afford internet – need your opinion on our solution

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Some links on your site are directed to the vanity 'charte.ge' but are still branded with 'giveinternet.org'. An example would be the 'Meet our team' link on this page: https://giveinternet.org/en/faq

Perhaps, this was a previous project name and the links haven't been fixed?

Re: Show HN: 2.5B people can’t afford internet – need your opinion on our solution

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I really like the idea of transparent charities helping spread access to information. The most difficult challenge will be demonstrating effectiveness relative to other charities operating near this space. Computer Aid International focuses on refurbishing used computers and providing them to those living at income levels 1 or 2, spending only around $42 per recipient. Room to Read specializes in building low cost li…

Hey, thanks for the great feedback. - We've tried used laptops. In the short run, they might work, but the maintenance of the used ones is very hard & expensive in the long run. The initial cost might be around 42 USD, but overall we might end up with a much higher cost. But still, we're always looking for more effective ways. - The problem is so big, there are many untapped geographies. We might even consider working with Computer Aid on this. They might become our partners in some regions. - Since every donor is choosing how much to give for the operations & innovation we don't see any problem. It's almost the same as tips, which are widely practiced by many charities. Though you're right we have to be conscious about it. The average at the moment is 17% - Independent audit is a good idea. We are talking to EY and BDO about it. So that they could run/approve our transparency. - The blog to reveal hard choices is a wonderful idea. Thanks a lot!

Re: Show HN: 2.5B people can’t afford internet – need your opinion on our solution

#113

Some links on your site are directed to the vanity 'charte.ge' but are still branded with 'giveinternet.org'. An example would be the 'Meet our team' link on this page: https://giveinternet.org/en/faq Perhaps, this was a previous project name and the links haven't been fixed?

Oops, thanks. Will fix it.

Re: Show HN: 2.5B people can’t afford internet – need your opinion on our solution

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You asked for an opinion, so here it is... Schools don’t need computers or Internet to provide a breadth of education. I don’t know if computer literacy should even be taught in schools considering there’s so many different kinds of computers and they keep changing.

We never target children at an early age. We focus only on High school-school age students, who need it most. As soon as we connect a student the whole family gets access to the internet. It becomes a family thing. You should see high-school students (age 16-18) living in refugee settlements and rural areas. They almost don't have access to any kind of education and information. No link to the worlds. Because of that, they have such a limited worldview. Internet helps them discover their interests and passions, trying things out and learn about new professions they've never heard about. Also, we run online mentorship programs to teach them how to use the internet in a proper way. (Here is the copy of my recent reply to another comment: Besides connecting students, we run an online mentorship program via Chat, online groups, sometimes phone/ video calls. First Students receive a link with a "welcome package"-list of most popular and relevant educational platforms which are available in the local language. We also partner with the local EdTech partners who provide their services for free for our students, so if anyone is interested in any platform we teach them how to use it and provide free access. We are also long term partners with Khan Academy and Code.org and actively promote these platforms to the students.

On a weekly basis, we post in an online group different educational content, free offers from our partners and education organizations who provide their courses for free (both online and offline), we post different scholarship opportunities, fellowships, programs, etc.

We plan to provide tailor-made educational content separately to each student according to their interests and challenges. Also thinking to test different models.)

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if "IoT/Robot/AI" or whatever it becomes can adapt to their needs, the people who don't need the internet, maybe there is a market there.

Well, this is the general idea: People can either afford the Internet or not. If they can't afford it, there are good chances they can't afford to pay any other bills. These people are usually not in developing countries, but the developed ones. The developed ones where no amount of government laws can bring affordable Internet to the public, nor any places with free WiFi nor good libraries with free browsing facilit…

Sure there are more important things to solve for so many families, but In the modern world, we can skip on gradually solving basic needs. We can and should leapfrog. Furthermore, we believe that internet access and access to information can play a catalyst role in solving those problems. Today we take the internet for granted, but it's luxury for so many people. It is a commodity like water and electricity.

One thing is, what we think people need and another is what they really need. It will be more relevant to use so-called LSM's - Lifestyle measures while evaluating the importance of the internet. That said how do we explain the resident of the village with no clean drinking water, buying a cell phone or kitchen appliance? or a mother paying for her son's education tutoring, even when she goes hungry? A farmer investing in cattle before improving his house? These are all facts and I am sure many of us have heard these stories. One thing is what we perceive and another is what people really need.

Btw by working with the local communities, providing resources, training and constant assistance, we also seem to encourage them to see the relevance of an Internet connection. We hope to prove that most of our beneficiaries will be willing to continue paying for their Internet fees long after we have stopped paying for them. According to preliminary studies most of the families are ready to reprioritize their costs and maintain an internet connection. Because of the high price barrier, they couldn't afford the internet and now since they understand its role in their lives and its relevance, their priorities have changed.

Re: Show HN: 2.5B people can’t afford internet – need your opinion on our solution

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Well, this is the general idea: People can either afford the Internet or not. If they can't afford it, there are good chances they can't afford to pay any other bills. These people are usually not in developing countries, but the developed ones. The developed ones where no amount of government laws can bring affordable Internet to the public, nor any places with free WiFi nor good libraries with free browsing facilit…

Sure there are more important things to solve for so many families, but In the modern world, we can skip on gradually solving basic needs. We can and should leapfrog. Furthermore, we believe that internet access and access to information can play a catalyst role in solving those problems. Today we take the internet for granted, but it's luxury for so many people. It is a commodity like water and electricity. One thin…

Okay, what is the first thing the poor families should be doing after getting the said internet connection?

Is the answer - job opportunities, free education, survival skills? The truth is that the internet does provide these, but how many of them actually use it?

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>If your "human rights" can be negated by the power going out, they are quite weak. That's a pretty weak argument. If the power goes out due to a storm, no one is depriving you of your human rights. If the power is cut with the explicit purpose of denying you access to the Internet, that's a different story. The intention behind the statement "Internet access is a human right" is that governments should not have the…

> Human rights aren't things people must do, they're things governments must allow the people to do. I agree with you. I think people should be allowed to access the internet. That is different from forcing the government to give everyone a network connected computer [one example]. > Actually I think the entire comment is weak... the Internet is not "a network of private systems", ... My point here being that the int…

>If I get blocked by FB/Twitter/[any site/network] have my "human rights" been taken away?

That's not what "Internet as a human right" means though. It doesn't govern what private companies do. Facebook banning you from their site is not a violation of your human rights. Syria shutting down Internet access nationwide to keep protestors from communicating is a violation of human rights.

>That is different from forcing the government to give everyone a network connected computer

No one has ever conflated "Internet as a human right" with "governments must give everyone a free computer". Just like "the right to work" as a human right doesn't mean the government has to give you a job. They just can't prevent you from accessing your job, and they can't prevent you from access the Internet.

Re: Show HN: 2.5B people can’t afford internet – need your opinion on our solution

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We probably should analyse the way it's done in India: ultra-cheap mobile Internet (how do they manage to both provide the coverage and sustain such low prices?) and budget-class devices. There has even been a post about the new class of cheap phones which are more like those of the pre-iPhone era. I believe giving everybody access to YouTube, Reddit and Wikipedia is important.

Wikipedia ok, but Youtube and Reddit? Are you kidding? Thought you were going to say something useful like wolfram alpha.

Youtube is full of conspiracy theories and reddit seems to be catering itself to white supremacy. Definitely not paragons of good or ethical internet companies.

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Can't you run Linux on a Chromebook? Not sure if it has problems. https://itsfoss.com/install-linux-chromebook/

Thanks for the link. I don't remember we've tried this

Note that Chromebooks have a different keyboard, so you may want to rebind a few things. https://wiki.galliumos.org/Media_keys_and_default_keybinding...

Chromebooks have a "Search" key instead of CAPS lock, and the F1..F10 keys are Back, Forward, Reload, Full screen, Switch Window, Brightness Up, Brightness Down, Mute, Volume Down, Volume Up. F11 and F12 might use Search with + and -

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