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Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by colechristensen »

mikevm wrote: post #56

Is vaping using things like DynaVap safer than other types of vaporizers?

Likely nobody can say with any amount of certainty.

There are vaporizers and liquids to treat very cautiously. Many materials you could make a vaporizer and especially the heating assembly would include hazardous offgassing.

Likewise you would want to be very careful about knowing the source and content of liquids. They are essentially unregulated.

Strangers on the internet selling you ingest to make a small amount of money are not particularly trustworthy.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by scrollaway »

macintux wrote: post #15
dmix wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like smoking it's important that those 10yrs have context around the deaths, assuming they ramp up, it's not just all vape usage = high risk. It's how you use it too. I personally quit smoking cigarettes and moved from 24mg->3mg of nicotine over a few months (with zero withdrawl symptoms). 3mg is about as low as you can go. You can't do that with smoking cigarettes, "light" cigarettes is mostly just a flavour pr…

It’s hard to get enthusiastic about something deadly and noxious just because it’s less noxious than something truly awful. Walking behind someone who was vaping recently is one of the least pleasant experiences I’ve had for a while.

> Walking behind someone who was vaping recently is one of the least pleasant experiences I’ve had for a while.

Worse than walking behind a smoker? Both my mother and a very good friend of mine smoke and I outright told them: you can vape around me, but don't smoke in my presence. I can't stand the smell.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by geggam »

magoon wrote: post #54

“Vaping” can often mean people filling mod boxes (not Juuls) with any sort of juice containing anything. Articles and studies often include any random juice in any random shop, so there are endless unknowns. Juuls and many other pens contain limited ingredients, namely nicotine and propylene glycol. We already know what nicotine does. Propylene glycol is food safe and is also used in albuterol asthma inhalers.

Propylene glycol is food safe and is also used in albuterol asthma inhalers.

A Nit : “generally recognized as safe” for use in food.

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=...

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by TomGullen »

madaxe_again wrote: post #46
buildzr wrote: post #5

> As the mechanism is unknown, it’s unclear what the actual danger is. Is it some byproduct of the nicotine cartidges, or THC ones? Is it the vapor itself? Is it only at certain temperatures or concentrations? Is it directly affecting the lungs or entering the bloodstream? No one knows yet — all they’ve seen is an sudden uptick in respiratory or pulmonary issues where the sufferer also uses vaping products. We've see…

I vape - I buy only high quality liquids from a reputable manufacturer who extensively test all of their recipes. I find my lung function is 100x better than when I smoked. I did, however, once buy a THC liquid, from a “reputable” dark web dealer. It was bloody awful - found myself retching and hacking for days after a few small tokes, and it destroyed both the coil and the tank - sticky residue, carbon, bleurgh. So.…

Me and my girlfriend exclusively vape vampire vape juices, how do we go about researching if the manufacturer is reputable and test all their recipes?

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

I’m less interested in speculation and more interested in the CDCs claims once it’s investigation has been concluded. Please do note that the claim specifically posits there exists a cluster of illnesses associated with vaping and that one person has died from it- not that only one person had ever had this disease. This makes it interesting. I hope the cause can be founds soon, given The popularity of vaping in teens.

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Post by bgeeek »

madaxe_again wrote: post #46
buildzr wrote: post #5

> As the mechanism is unknown, it’s unclear what the actual danger is. Is it some byproduct of the nicotine cartidges, or THC ones? Is it the vapor itself? Is it only at certain temperatures or concentrations? Is it directly affecting the lungs or entering the bloodstream? No one knows yet — all they’ve seen is an sudden uptick in respiratory or pulmonary issues where the sufferer also uses vaping products. We've see…

I vape - I buy only high quality liquids from a reputable manufacturer who extensively test all of their recipes. I find my lung function is 100x better than when I smoked. I did, however, once buy a THC liquid, from a “reputable” dark web dealer. It was bloody awful - found myself retching and hacking for days after a few small tokes, and it destroyed both the coil and the tank - sticky residue, carbon, bleurgh. So.…

Let's not confuse reputable with anything healthy, which is the danger of some of your statements, both quoted and unquoted. The largest tobacco manufacturers were reputable, but that didn't stop them from killing people.

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Post by noname120 »

singingfish wrote: post #14

I'm guessing that if this really is associated with vaping then it's likely due to the limited regulation of the ingredients. Bad batch of VG/PG/nicotine? Some problematic flavouring? I think the best article I've found is at the BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5228 - sorry, paywall. Very much inconslusive at the moment completely in the public health triage stage. Good idea to regulate it properly. I just…

Monoamine oxidase inhibitors [1] which are present in cigarettes seem to greatly contribute to the nicotine addictiveness.

See this literature review from Gwern for more information. [2]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor

[2] https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine#addictiveness

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Post by DanBC »

noname120 wrote: post #67
singingfish wrote: post #14

I'm guessing that if this really is associated with vaping then it's likely due to the limited regulation of the ingredients. Bad batch of VG/PG/nicotine? Some problematic flavouring? I think the best article I've found is at the BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5228 - sorry, paywall. Very much inconslusive at the moment completely in the public health triage stage. Good idea to regulate it properly. I just…

Monoamine oxidase inhibitors [1] which are present in cigarettes seem to greatly contribute to the nicotine addictiveness. See this literature review from Gwern for more information. [2] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor [2] https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine#addictiveness

How is gwern eliminating their own bias?

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Post by justaj »

mirekrusin wrote: post #42
okcando wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keep in mind that “vapor” is used to disguise that, in all cases whether nicotine or pot or etc, people are heating up a substance to its smoke point and inhaling that smoke. They use “vapor” because it sounds like “water vapor” - which is harmless - but it’s definitely not that. This is not true. It's producing an aerosol, partially by condensation of vapor produced by heating the glycerine and propylene glycol mi…

There are also “coils” that vibrate to create vapour which happens at room temperature.

This is interesting. Do you know what this technology is called?

I also wonder whether it's more efficient in terms of battery use.

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Post by Alex3917 »

refurb wrote: post #25
Alex3917 wrote: post #2

Meh. Even if they kill 100,000 Americans per year, that would probably be one of the greatest public health wins in history.

This is true. Our starting point isn’t zero deaths, it’s the hundreds of thousands of people in the US who die due to smoking tobacco. If you cut that in half, that’s a win. This is what harm reduction is all about.

Tobacco currently kills about 500,00 Americans per year, according to the CDC, so 100,000 would be way less than half.
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