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The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by meerita »

lxhmj wrote: post #11

In the average of the last 15 years: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-bra... >As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years.

This is amazing. It's amazing how the histeria has spreaded like a virulent disease but people never cared to learn about this. First, there's a "fire season", then the averages and then, the current situation. But it's amazing how easy they blamed capitalism and bolsonaro in the socialmedia. The worst of this situations: some progressive PM did it too falling into the perseption fallacy. How sad this world has became with Social media.

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lxhmj wrote: post #11

In the average of the last 15 years: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-bra... >As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years.

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Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by EugeneOZ »

fwsgonzo wrote: post #21
vfc1 wrote: post #17

When the Amazon turns into a savannah well into our lifetime, we will see how this stuff looks like historically. I suspect though that the attention that the press is giving to this year's fires, which are catastrophic and need attention, has something to do with the fact that Brasil is about to sign a historic trade agreement with the EU and this is being used to politically pressure Brasil into stopping the increa…

The "manipulation" to stop destroying the planet? To me its all about the accelerated logging in the amazon basin that we know is fatal.

No. This year Russia lost 3 times more forest and nobody cares :) All the noise is just about politics.

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Post by meerita »

fwsgonzo wrote: post #29
meerita wrote: post #23

All I have seen these days in the press is to blame Bolsonaro, of some fires that occur, every year, for decades on an area of 5,500,000 km2 and you will tell me how a person can monitor so much surface, which is not even People can travel. Presidents of other countries that I am not going to mention have campaigned against Bolsonaro using old photos. It is unfortunate the political use that is being given to this, a…

Bolsonaro is a dangerous far-right buffoon who is accelerating logging in the amazon basin. If you want to talk about politics then why was his direct opponent put in jail during the election? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics/brazils-b... He is basically the encyclopaedia image of corruption.

His direct oponent was guilty of several corruption cases. It went on an extensive judiciary process i believe you have followed or you understand. It wasnt jailed summarily. The supreme court even denied by votation so, it is not something we can relate to the amazonian fire season.

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Post by meerita »

lxhmj wrote: post #18
makomk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even this article isn't great, though it's obviously better than the hoaxes on social media. For instance, they start off the article with the claim that Brazil has seen a record number of forest fires in 2019 and a scary-looking graph of them increasing from 2013. They then follow up with a repetition of activists' claims that right-wing president Jair Bolsonaro is to blame. You have to scroll down several pages to…

It's the BBC... what do you expect, quality?

Quality black Aquiles level :)

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Post by meerita »

guilhas wrote: post #28

It is very bad because the current president policy is to sell and deforest for farms or cattle, without any worry of the ecosystem or native people of the area. Which should be preserve and protect. In terms of the area affected by fire, more burned in Portugal in 2018, which is a very small compared with Amazon size.

Do you have any oficial policy document that support that claim?

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Post by austincheney »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #26
kebman wrote: post #12

There is also a big forest fire in Siberia, but I can't remember seeing anything on it in the Norwegian press. There are some stories about the Amazon fire, though. Perhaps the one in Siberia is less dangerous? I don't know! Why is the Amazon fire worse? Or can you compare them at all?

Amazon is the source for 20% oxygen. Brasil's president thinks climate change is a myth (just like every conservative head of state these days) It's scary how much he could damage the world by flattening the Amazon

I don’t think that is accurate. Most of the oxygen produced by the Amazon remains local and is consumed by local fauna. The rest of the world is almost entirely dependent upon local systems and oceanic diatoms for oxygen.

There are many other serious environmental concerns at stake, but not oxygen loss.

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Post by _hl_ »

meerita wrote: post #23

All I have seen these days in the press is to blame Bolsonaro, of some fires that occur, every year, for decades on an area of 5,500,000 km2 and you will tell me how a person can monitor so much surface, which is not even People can travel. Presidents of other countries that I am not going to mention have campaigned against Bolsonaro using old photos. It is unfortunate the political use that is being given to this, a…

> how a person can monitor so much surface

Brazil used to have an autonomous satellite monitoring system (Prodes and Deter) which Bolsonaro is actively working to dismantle, along with the environmental protection agency Ibama. There are many valid reasons to blame Bolsonaro for what is happening.

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Post by thelittleone »

nafey wrote: post #2

Not gonna lie I had the impression that Amazon was gonna get wiped out in a matter of weeks considering the amount of attention this story has been getting.

For a few weeks there was almost zero news coverage. But the fires gained a lot of traction on the 20th of August [1]. The number of fires has increased year over year by 84% [2]. Given that the amazon produces 20% of Earth's oxygen that's quite a concern. I think the global outcry is warranted (any less may not have achieved a result). It's a good first step that Bolsonaro has deployed the Army for a month to fight the fires, time will tell if this is an authentic effort or one simply to quell the angry Internet mob. If we don't take a stand where profit > environment on a global scale are we not complicit in the destruction?

[1] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%207-d&geo=...

[2] https://www.woodtv.com/news/international/sharp-increase-in-...

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