China’s assault on Cathay Pacific • Hacker News Board

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by llIIlIlIllIIlIl » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

spacehunt wrote: post #55

llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #33

> When the Chinese aviation authority, absurdly, accused the airline of imperilling safety because its employees had joined the protests, Cathay dumped its chief executive. Question: Is there even remotely a legitimate security concern here? Let's say in a hypothetical scenario, the unrest spirals out of control into a state of complete desperation. The HK government and the CCP refuse to compromise on any of the fiv…

If this is the case, seeing that there are lots of people around the world who are sympathizing with Hong Kong protesters, shouldn't the security directive also apply to every airline worldwide that have mainland Chinese among their passengers?

Yeah that could be one possible solution. Not allowing Cathay flights over mainland China could be considered another.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by spacehunt » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

mytailorisrich wrote: post #48

I don't know if this is a coincidence but Cathay Pacific is symbolic of colonial times. The founders were not Chinese, the main shareholder has always been British, the CEO until a week ago was British. It's always been a western (anglosphere) company operating in China/Asia, not a Chinese company and perhaps the Chinese authorities want to make clear that it is now a Chinese company.

There are theories floating around that China is using the current unrest as an opportunity to "cleanse Hong Kong of colonialism", so to speak. Ironic to say the least.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by rdlecler1 » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

This is getting ridiculous. There’s too many paywalled articles posted on HN and the web link is no longer a reliable work around. Bad user experience is just going to drive people away. Please think about reworking your algorithm otherwise comments are just going to be based in the title since few people can actually read it. Yes, I realize this is going to get downvoted because of posting policy but I’m willing to take the karma damage to try to improve the community before it’s too late.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by chaostheory » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #34

theseadroid wrote: post #29

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HK allows dual citizenship and there are around 300,000 Canadians living in HK right now[1]. Not sure about other nationalities. And I think HK passport can go to many countries visa free or visa on arrival[2]. So in a sense many protesters do have a plan b if needed. 1. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/unrest-in-hong-kong-fue... 2. https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/service/travel_document/visa_fre...

The protesters are more working class than the richer HKers with multiple passports. Sure, they can leave, but it is much harder for them to establish themselves in a new country. They can buy a plane ticket, but then what?

They can do what the Chinese have done since the 19th century: move and adapt. It's what my family did. Easier said than done, but I feel it's pretty ingrained now when you can even find Chinese families in places like Africa.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:11 PM UTC

parliament32 wrote: post #30

nh wrote: post #9

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How does outline work? how do they get around the login feature

If they told you that, the target sites would find a way to block it. Obscurity is just another weapon in this advertising-and-bloat-blocking arms race.

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by chillacy » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC

cdiamand wrote: post #12

Can anyone recommend a good book on China, or modern geopolitics?

Lee Kuan Yew: The Grand Master's Insights on China, the United States, and the World

From the point of view of the former Singaporean leader whose governance has inspired China in the first place (3rd world to first in a few decades), and who is fairly objective being a mixture of eastern and western cultures.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by ospider » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC

AFascistWorld wrote: post #37

Samsung magically fell to zero market share in China in the span of 2 to 3 years, that's a warning to any company doing business in China, now they are targeting Fedex over the alleged intentional diversion to the US of some Huawei packages, when China is angry at Korea, Lotte and Samsung became sacrificial lambs to the pent-up ire, Fedex and maybe some other American campanies may be the new ones (Amazon narrowly es…

Did you remember Galaxy Note 7? That's the magic sauce.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by PhasmaFelis » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:13 PM UTC

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #42

wbl wrote: post #20

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Visa free travel to the US. The situation isn't that desparate yet. But I fully expect this President will toss them back into the jaws of tyranny.

Yeah, the US is cracking down hard on asylum rights. There's been a lot of people in dire conditions--fleeing human trafficking or government oppression--turned away from the southern border and sent home in danger of their lives, because they don't check all the boxes on the extremely narrow definition that ICE is using now.

I'm curious who's downvoting this. I didn't say anything that's not factual.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by llIIlIlIllIIlIl » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

alteria wrote: post #50

llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #44

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It could be disinformation, but I've read that some Cathay pilots and cabin crew were reprimanded for participating in the protests. Also, I don't necessarily mean a terrorist incident. Any kerfuffle at 35,000ft would be enough grounds to turn an airplane around and land it at the nearest runway as per standard safety practices. With HK-mainland tensions at an all time high, I don't think this can be completely ruled…

What kind of incident are you imagining happening on a plane, and is participation in the protest a reliable indicator for the likelihood of it?

Imagine knowing that your people are fighting for freedom from CPC rule and mainlanders flooding into HK, taking your jobs and housing and driving up prices for essential goods. Then you get a group of obnoxious and oblivious mainlanders heading to HK on a luxury spending holiday demanding this and that from the flight hostesses.

Now imagine being an HK Cathay cabin crew member making not so great pay and living in the most expensive city in the world by far. This could be a tinder box for incidents like verbal assaults, jostling and shoving and if enough passengers get involved, it could transform into a real flight risk.

> is participation in the protest a reliable indicator for the likelihood of it

Humans are capable of many things right or wrong when they are desperate to get their message across. Doubly true when they believe their fight is for justice.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by dannykwells » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

rdlecler1 wrote: post #63

This is getting ridiculous. There’s too many paywalled articles posted on HN and the web link is no longer a reliable work around. Bad user experience is just going to drive people away. Please think about reworking your algorithm otherwise comments are just going to be based in the title since few people can actually read it. Yes, I realize this is going to get downvoted because of posting policy but I’m willing to…

I think this comment is actually spot on. The web is, quickly, devolving into an unusable mess because of all these F paywalls everywhere.

I would wholly support a policy of no paywalled articles on HN.