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India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Re: India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Post by ggm »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #9
ggm wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even dirty coal is possibly better than dirty diesel and petrol. Yes, its dirty: what kind of remediation can be done in a centralized generator, compared to distributed catalytic converters in exhaust (which fail in service, or are not fitted) and a huge burden in NO and related problems. Coal is bad, polluting, creates health hazards and we need to get rid of it. Petrol and Diesel are not "better" and there are rea…

Parent didn’t mention petroleum or diesel, just CNG. CNG has much less pollution than those two things, but emits the same amount of CO2 (in concern of global warming).

Fugitive gas from CNG is a thing. CNG comes from fracking, which wreaks havoc on the water table. You aren't considering the supply chain costs of CNG, but you implicitly do include them for coal, which comes from equally polluting sources.

Re: India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Post by ggm »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #6
ggm wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even dirty coal is possibly better than dirty diesel and petrol. Yes, its dirty: what kind of remediation can be done in a centralized generator, compared to distributed catalytic converters in exhaust (which fail in service, or are not fitted) and a huge burden in NO and related problems. Coal is bad, polluting, creates health hazards and we need to get rid of it. Petrol and Diesel are not "better" and there are rea…

Dirty coal and the inefficiencies associated with generating electricity, then storing it in lead-acid batteries and then turning an e-rickshaw is definitely less efficient and far more polluting than autorickshaws running on CNG.

OK, I'll bite. Cite please. Include full lifecycle costs on CNG, including fracking and shipping.

Re: India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Post by nautical »

I have been living in Delhi city since a LONG time and I have seen these cropping up mainly on metro routes. There is a major shift towards using public transport in general. Many people having cars have started to prefer e-rickshaw and metro combination for daily travel.

It is very cheap ( about 1 dollar e-rickshaw and metro combined - both ways - basically about 30 dollar your monthly travel is sorted ).

It is cleaner ( Being public mode, there are benefits )

It has become one of the fastest way to travel.

Re: India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Post by Mikeb85 »

ggm wrote: post #12
Mikeb85 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dirty coal and the inefficiencies associated with generating electricity, then storing it in lead-acid batteries and then turning an e-rickshaw is definitely less efficient and far more polluting than autorickshaws running on CNG.

OK, I'll bite. Cite please. Include full lifecycle costs on CNG, including fracking and shipping.

Here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti...

Re: India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Post by shard972 »

nautical wrote: post #13

I have been living in Delhi city since a LONG time and I have seen these cropping up mainly on metro routes. There is a major shift towards using public transport in general. Many people having cars have started to prefer e-rickshaw and metro combination for daily travel. It is very cheap ( about 1 dollar e-rickshaw and metro combined - both ways - basically about 30 dollar your monthly travel is sorted ). It is clea…

As long as your not a young pretty woman.

Re: India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Post by xvilka »

0xFFFE wrote: post #7
ggm wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even dirty coal is possibly better than dirty diesel and petrol. Yes, its dirty: what kind of remediation can be done in a centralized generator, compared to distributed catalytic converters in exhaust (which fail in service, or are not fitted) and a huge burden in NO and related problems. Coal is bad, polluting, creates health hazards and we need to get rid of it. Petrol and Diesel are not "better" and there are rea…

India has an ambitious goal of generating 175GW from renewable sources by 2022. There are various solar power plants coming up all over the country. Source: https://www.niti.gov.in/reports [Line item 6] PS: NITI is the apex advisory body to the Indian Govt.

India also investing smartly in the nuclear technology, while less smart governments ditching it.

Re: India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Post by ggm »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #14
ggm wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, I'll bite. Cite please. Include full lifecycle costs on CNG, including fracking and shipping.

Here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti...

Even with all those losses, the electric vehicle road trip is still better for the climate than driving a gasoline-powered car. Burning that much coal would release about 310 kilograms of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, compared with 350 kilograms by the 40 gallons of gasoline. Even though coal tends to emit more pollutants than oil for the amount of energy it generates, the efficiency of the electric vehicle, which recharges its battery with every brake, more than makes up the difference.

But.. the article doesn't say "CNG is better" It just says the worst-case costs in the US, for coal sourced power to charge the batteries.

Re: India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

ggm wrote: post #11
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent didn’t mention petroleum or diesel, just CNG. CNG has much less pollution than those two things, but emits the same amount of CO2 (in concern of global warming).

Fugitive gas from CNG is a thing. CNG comes from fracking, which wreaks havoc on the water table. You aren't considering the supply chain costs of CNG, but you implicitly do include them for coal, which comes from equally polluting sources.

NG is a byproduct of oil drilling. You either pipe and distribute to do work or burn it off. The former is much better environmentally than the latter.

Countries with local NG supplies, especially developing ones, really should use them.

Re: India’s Messy Electric Vehicle Revolution

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Post by supermatt »

xvilka wrote: post #16
0xFFFE wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India has an ambitious goal of generating 175GW from renewable sources by 2022. There are various solar power plants coming up all over the country. Source: https://www.niti.gov.in/reports [Line item 6] PS: NITI is the apex advisory body to the Indian Govt.

India also investing smartly in the nuclear technology, while less smart governments ditching it.

a governments smartness is defined by its investment in nuclear energy? why are renewables not a smart investment?
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