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The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Post by master-litty »

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #101
master-litty wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it socially acceptable. It's quite normal to jump from one tech company to another, and wearing a t-shirt from a previous employer is an artifact of that lifestyle. My hot take: I've always interpreted it as "street cred" thing. Getting a job at Google is difficult, for example, and wearing a t-shirt from your Google days could show intellectual pride.

> I've always interpreted it as "street cred" thing. Getting a job at Google is difficult, for example, and wearing a t-shirt from your Google days could show intellectual pride. Pride here isn't a good thing.

To each their own. Pride in my decisions and my hard work is an important part of my self esteem.

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Post by root_axis »

nabnob wrote: post #155
root_axis wrote: post #152

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What does that have to do with the rate of kids dying in cages?

Sorry, I don't support Trump or ICE. But it's dishonest to act like Obama was a leftist, this has been an ongoing problem for a while.

Total non-sequitur. Nobody is making any assertions about how "left" Obama is.

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Post by blackflame7000 »

vkou wrote: post #102
creaghpatr wrote: post #86

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Or, if Mexican heroin killed multiple people you know, you have a not-sunny view of illegal immigrants and unsecured borders. Just because you attribute your own ignorance to the color of your skin, doesn't mean others do.

It's not illegal to seek asylum.

It is when you do it in the middle of the desert instead of a lawful port of entry.

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Post by nabnob »

root_axis wrote: post #172
nabnob wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I don't support Trump or ICE. But it's dishonest to act like Obama was a leftist, this has been an ongoing problem for a while.

Total non-sequitur. Nobody is making any assertions about how "left" Obama is.

And so is your question? I was responding to someone else asking for a source on deportations being higher than Obama. Nowhere did I say I support holding undocumented immigrants in concentration camps.

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Post by nooron »

creaghpatr wrote: post #130
nooron wrote: post #117

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Heroin has killed people I know. I still don’t think separating and caging families is moral.

I highly recommend the book Dreamland for more on this topic: https://www.amazon.com/Dreamland-True-Americas-Opiate-Epidem...

I’ve read it. I remain unmoved by your cruelty.

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Post by blackflame7000 »

uoaei wrote: post #128
wang_li wrote: post #99

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My idea of better is things like walls instead of chain link fences and beds instead of sleeping pallets. Is your idea of better actual cages and thin mattresses on the floor but with the cool president instead of higher quality conditions but the crass president? That seems quite self serving and inhumane.

>Is your idea of better actual cages and thin mattresses on the floor but with the cool president instead of higher quality conditions but the crass president? False dichotomy, intellectual dishonesty, etc. How about abolishing inhumane practices, period? How about not trying to placate victims to abuse by saying "oh it's not so bad, at least you have real beds"?

Victims of abuse? Do you honestly believe that people that show up at a lawful port of entry are instantly put into cages while they wait? The people that were talking about are the people that got caught trying to cross in the middle of the desert. We give them food and shelter after they just broke our laws and you call that abuse?

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Post by openasocket »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #176
uoaei wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is your idea of better actual cages and thin mattresses on the floor but with the cool president instead of higher quality conditions but the crass president? False dichotomy, intellectual dishonesty, etc. How about abolishing inhumane practices, period? How about not trying to placate victims to abuse by saying "oh it's not so bad, at least you have real beds"?

Victims of abuse? Do you honestly believe that people that show up at a lawful port of entry are instantly put into cages while they wait? The people that were talking about are the people that got caught trying to cross in the middle of the desert. We give them food and shelter after they just broke our laws and you call that abuse?

Crossing into the US not at a lawful port of entry to apply for asylum is legal. According to Title 8 Section 1158, in the first sentence: "Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

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Post by pacala »

openasocket wrote: post #170
onepointsixC wrote: post #162

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>they are still not breaking the law. Yes they are, illegally entering the United States is breaking the law.

Not according to Title 8 Section 1158, in the first sentence: "Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this se…

That allows the alien to apply for asylum, but does not say anything about whether their act of entering the US was or not breaking the law.

We could entertain either or both of:

A. Entering the US is not breaking any laws, no matter the manner in which it is accomplished.

B. Applying for asylum grants an amnesty for the laws broken while entering the US.

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Post by root_axis »

nabnob wrote: post #174
root_axis wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Total non-sequitur. Nobody is making any assertions about how "left" Obama is.

And so is your question? I was responding to someone else asking for a source on deportations being higher than Obama. Nowhere did I say I support holding undocumented immigrants in concentration camps.

> I was responding to someone else asking for a source on deportations being higher than Obama

Read again. Nobody asked that.

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Post by asdffdsa »

prepend wrote: post #31
_bxg1 wrote: post #16

The company is literally named after the magic orb that Sauron uses to surveil Middle-Earth. I don't know what you expected.

It’s not the Palantir that are bad, but Sauron and Saruman. They were created by elves for useful purposes. Possibly the Palantir saved middle earth when Aragorn used it to scry events leading up to the final battles.

Right, but they serve primarily as metaphysical vessels for surveillance, secrecy, corruption, and evil. Given Palantir's deliberate opaqueness and elitism, I don't see why we should grant them a charitable metaphorical characterization of their defining symbol, especially since the aforementioned values are the opposite of the "good" values (lucidity, order, and individual sovereignty) which form the backbone of ethics in Tolkein's mythology and the (Western) culture LOTR was written in.
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