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The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

nailer wrote: post #64
analogist wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think there is no difference in guilt between being a war criminal’s arm dealer and being a war criminal’s grocer?

I might be really uneducated here - I'm not American. All I know about ICE is that they're immigration and customs enforcement - they're basically the US's border force. The quality of the conditions they keep migrants in is poor, and has been for years. OK. Why is that worthy of a boycott? Your democratically elected governments create the laws, and determine the funding for things like beds and toys etc. Boycotts i…

ICE isn't the border force. All border security operations, stopping people from crossing and customs inspections and such, are done by a different agency called CBP.

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Post by CydeWeys »

basseq wrote: post #90
CydeWeys wrote: post #12

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I interviewed with Palantir maybe seven years ago (didn't get the job) and definitely wasn't aware at the time that they were doing this kind of work, if they even were back then. And had I known they were doing CBP stuff, I may have been OK with it under Obama even. It wasn't until Trump got elected and immigration policy became explicitly racist and enforcement child-separationy and concentration-campy that I reall…

Counter-anecdote: I interviewed with Palatir 6.5 years ago (also didn't get the job) and was absolutely made aware that a core part of their business was in law enforcement at both the Federal and State level.

"This kind of work" means CBP and ICE stuff specifically, not just generic law enforcement. I was aware of the latter. The examples they were talking about were about tracking down financial fraud, which I am all in favor of. They weren't helping to put children in cages back then.

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Post by openasocket »

wang_li wrote: post #99
bovermyer wrote: post #73

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You and I have very different ideas of what constitutes "better."

My idea of better is things like walls instead of chain link fences and beds instead of sleeping pallets. Is your idea of better actual cages and thin mattresses on the floor but with the cool president instead of higher quality conditions but the crass president? That seems quite self serving and inhumane.

So, building a wall would have exactly zero impact on the influx of refugees, and I'm not sure why that isn't brought up more often. Border Patrol is still required to hear asylum claims and grant the person entry into the US if they pass a credible fear interview.

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Post by CydeWeys »

ceejayoz wrote: post #95
basseq wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter-anecdote: I interviewed with Palatir 6.5 years ago (also didn't get the job) and was absolutely made aware that a core part of their business was in law enforcement at both the Federal and State level.

For many folks, "we do business with the FBI" and "we do business with ICE" are still different moral realms.

And ICE wasn't what many of us consider to be evil until recently, when Trump made it so.

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Post by tastygreenapple »

anthony_doan wrote: post #77
qazpot wrote: post #13

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I am assuming ICE is "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement". I am not from USA but why every comment here is implying ICE to be some evil thing.

> I am not from USA but why every comment here is implying ICE to be some evil thing. Because there are reports of ICE doing inhumane things toward the people they have detained. 1) Children are being separated from families. 2) Children are dying under ICE facilities. 3) The jailing of asylum seekers. These are the few things that lead many people to believe ICE is evil. Where as the other side seems to be concentra…

but none of these features are new, child seperation and children dying in ICE facilities happened under the Obama administration and it wasn't a big deal then. What changed?

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Post by bovermyer »

wang_li wrote: post #99
bovermyer wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and I have very different ideas of what constitutes "better."

My idea of better is things like walls instead of chain link fences and beds instead of sleeping pallets. Is your idea of better actual cages and thin mattresses on the floor but with the cool president instead of higher quality conditions but the crass president? That seems quite self serving and inhumane.

Making up a counter-argument and presenting it as if that was my suggestion is unethical and poor debate practice.

I will not participate in a discussion with someone who does this. Good day.

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Post by uoaei »

wang_li wrote: post #99
bovermyer wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and I have very different ideas of what constitutes "better."

My idea of better is things like walls instead of chain link fences and beds instead of sleeping pallets. Is your idea of better actual cages and thin mattresses on the floor but with the cool president instead of higher quality conditions but the crass president? That seems quite self serving and inhumane.

>Is your idea of better actual cages and thin mattresses on the floor but with the cool president instead of higher quality conditions but the crass president?

False dichotomy, intellectual dishonesty, etc.

How about abolishing inhumane practices, period? How about not trying to placate victims to abuse by saying "oh it's not so bad, at least you have real beds"?

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Post by CydeWeys »

creaghpatr wrote: post #86
wpietri wrote: post #37

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Exactly. I think it's reasonable (although perhaps naive) for people to have a sunny view of law enforcement. Especially when, like me, they're white men from middle-class backgrounds; I've never had a bad experience with law enforcement, despite having done some stupendously dumb-ass things. But even though I'm predisposed to view cops favorably, the stuff with ICE is shocking to me. America has a big chunk of histo…

Or, if Mexican heroin killed multiple people you know, you have a not-sunny view of illegal immigrants and unsecured borders. Just because you attribute your own ignorance to the color of your skin, doesn't mean others do.

What does the one have to do with the other???

Undocumented immigrants and asylum seekers are fleeing terrible conditions in their home countries and trying to make a better living for their family here.

They're not the same at all as the criminal gangs that smuggle in drugs via a large variety of methods.

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Post by creaghpatr »

nooron wrote: post #117
creaghpatr wrote: post #86

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Or, if Mexican heroin killed multiple people you know, you have a not-sunny view of illegal immigrants and unsecured borders. Just because you attribute your own ignorance to the color of your skin, doesn't mean others do.

Heroin has killed people I know. I still don’t think separating and caging families is moral.

I highly recommend the book Dreamland for more on this topic: https://www.amazon.com/Dreamland-True-Americas-Opiate-Epidem...
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