Why do people hate enforcing the law? Seems illogical. The only thing that keeps America America is the enforcement of law and order within its borders, and the defense of those borders.
The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
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Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
#72Maybe I misunderstand Palantir's mission but working with LEOs like ICE seems to be their core business. All credit to these employees for standing up for what they believe in but what exactly did they think they were signing up for? I have a new coworker who wears his Palantir t-shirt and it makes me uncomfortable to even see the name in my office.
I also don't understand this. Seems like if you were willing to work for Palantir before this made news you'd have understood that surveillance tech to police depts, corporations, etc. is exactly what the company sells/enables. I did have a recruiter reach out a long time ago and remember they did actually pitch the social good use case of helping law enforcement find and arrest criminals involved in child prostituti…
I wonder if Palantir could help the FBI get a bead on Ghislaine Maxwell.
Hahah, just kidding, Palantir is for chasing down the hoi polloi, not the madams and child abducters who service the country's elite (who after all probably give Palantir a lot of its contracts).
Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wait, what? Maybe I'm misreading this. Are you suggesting that what ICE is doing is good?
You mean enforcing the laws of the US and controlling the borders of the country? Yes, that is good. They are dealing with a situation largely created by the people illegally crossing the border. It's crazy to think that any country should maintain 4-star luxury housing sufficient to house the global population just in case. The reality is that the US is not being cruel or harming people. And ICE has upgraded the fac…
You and I have very different ideas of what constitutes "better."
Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
#74Maybe I misunderstand Palantir's mission but working with LEOs like ICE seems to be their core business. All credit to these employees for standing up for what they believe in but what exactly did they think they were signing up for? I have a new coworker who wears his Palantir t-shirt and it makes me uncomfortable to even see the name in my office.
I interviewed with Palantir maybe seven years ago (didn't get the job) and definitely wasn't aware at the time that they were doing this kind of work, if they even were back then. And had I known they were doing CBP stuff, I may have been OK with it under Obama even. It wasn't until Trump got elected and immigration policy became explicitly racist and enforcement child-separationy and concentration-campy that I reall…
Albert Einstein said the same thing about the Bomb, after we dropped it
Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
#75Maybe I misunderstand Palantir's mission but working with LEOs like ICE seems to be their core business. All credit to these employees for standing up for what they believe in but what exactly did they think they were signing up for? I have a new coworker who wears his Palantir t-shirt and it makes me uncomfortable to even see the name in my office.
I also don't understand this. Seems like if you were willing to work for Palantir before this made news you'd have understood that surveillance tech to police depts, corporations, etc. is exactly what the company sells/enables. I did have a recruiter reach out a long time ago and remember they did actually pitch the social good use case of helping law enforcement find and arrest criminals involved in child prostituti…
And I once had a recruiter from Axon talk about how body cameras could potentially help to hold officers accountable.
But it's good to always ask this question of any prospective employer: "who are [y]our customers?"
The customers are the ones who pay the company, and unless you're applying to work for a monopoly, they're the ones who ultimately call the shots.
Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Palantir is a software company right and sells tools to ICE? Does someone wearing an Excel shirt make you uncomfortable because ICE uses MSOffice? What about OSS projects like R and Python that also enable ICE to analyze data to find people. Is the expectation that Palantir should not sell software to ICE?
So you think there is no difference in guilt between being a war criminal’s arm dealer and being a war criminal’s grocer?
It's a very interesting gradient that you bring up.
Most of us probably have no issue with the baker who sold Hitler his daily loaf of bread.
But many of us do have problems with Hugo Boss for designing Nazi uniforms, even though the design work would have been before most of the Nazi war crimes had occurred.
Does not resisting to the fullest of your ability constitute enabling evil?
Would you take Pablo Escobar's donation to build a children's orphanage?
Should gun store owners share the blame when a gun purchased in their business is used in a mass shooting? If you say no, what about if the gun is used in a mass shooting within 30 minutes of the sale and the shooter comes across as under distress, and the gun store owner is worried enough to call in a warning to the authorities.
Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
#77Maybe I misunderstand Palantir's mission but working with LEOs like ICE seems to be their core business. All credit to these employees for standing up for what they believe in but what exactly did they think they were signing up for? I have a new coworker who wears his Palantir t-shirt and it makes me uncomfortable to even see the name in my office.
I am assuming ICE is "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement". I am not from USA but why every comment here is implying ICE to be some evil thing.
> I am not from USA but why every comment here is implying ICE to be some evil thing.
Because there are reports of ICE doing inhumane things toward the people they have detained.
1) Children are being separated from families.
2) Children are dying under ICE facilities.
3) The jailing of asylum seekers.
These are the few things that lead many people to believe ICE is evil.
Where as the other side seems to be concentrating on the illegal immigrants.
It also come down to the morality of what they're doing and if this is similar to internment camp or concentration camp.
Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
#78The company is literally named after the magic orb that Sauron uses to surveil Middle-Earth. I don't know what you expected.
Palantirs were created by elves if I am not mistaken. Sauron has stolen / acquired palantirs in battles but originally they were used by people like Gandalf or Elrond for communication. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong.
Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
#79The company is literally named after the magic orb that Sauron uses to surveil Middle-Earth. I don't know what you expected.
It’s not the Palantir that are bad, but Sauron and Saruman. They were created by elves for useful purposes. Possibly the Palantir saved middle earth when Aragorn used it to scry events leading up to the final battles.
I guess this explains the "Defend the Shire" shirts I see Palantir employees wear sometimes. Always thought the idea they're on the side of the pastoral, mind-their-own-business Hobbits was one of the most absurd misconceptions of their purpose of any company in Silicon Valley, and that's really saying something.
Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fresh off the Resolute desk: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-...
They could also let asylum seekers go, and allow them to live in the United States pending a hearing. That's what we've been doing until this administration. These aren't random people off the street, these are people with valid claims of asylum who have passed the credible fear interview administered by CBP. Almost all of them will stay in contact with the courts and go to all their appointments. The editorial also…
>They could also let asylum seekers go, and allow them to live in the United States pending a hearing
There are many issues, yes. Why can't you give the administration credit for fixing one of them? Why point to another problem and say, "but this isn't fixed yet!"