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The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

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Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you are a trained medical professional in this particular area of study, you have absolutely no business making up your own mind.

Most doctors get their information about medical issues by reading the marketing pamphlets from drug companies. If you actually read the relevant journal articles then you'd be significantly more knowledgeable about any given topic than the average doctor.

That's just not true. Is it necessary for me to say any more about this?

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#52
post #8

Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…

Do you know if the UK has the equivalent of the US government's vaccine event reporting system?

Perhaps at the least, there is a UK website that you can report the event at (link is the US site): http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#53
post #8

Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…

Can you please provide credible (i.e. peer-reviewed) references to the symptoms you describe being a known side-effect of MMR vaccination? And to doctors being "encouraged" not to admit said side-effects? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying what you are describing is really unusual. Which brings me to my next point: any decision has consequences. If there is a 1 in 1 billion chance of a side-effect, and a 1…

Perhaps 10 seconds of using your favorite search engine would have found you this link:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

The approximate odds of having a specific reaction, are listed. Seizure (jerking or staring) are listed as 1 in 3000 .

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#54
post #8

Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…

"My point is, examine any claims by government or big Pharm or sensational reports about autism very carefully and make up your own mind."

Being careful to consider who paid for any studies you examine, as that is very important.

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#55
post #8

Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…

> My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. A one-in-a-million coincidence happens 7,000 times in the world's population. There will always be anecdotes, correlation doesn't prove causation.

Downplaying known complications does not serve your argument ...

seizure occurrence for MMR is listed as 1 in 3000; mild fever (1 in 6), rash (1 in 20), temporary stiffness in joints (up to 1 in 4) , etc.

Note this is MMR, not MMRV, which is listed separately, and for which seizure is listed as a 1 in 1250 occurrence ...

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#56
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That organization had much to do with starting the fraud in the first place.

Please justify that comment, references?

Have you read the British Medical Journal article, just published, that has prompted several of these threads on HN?

http://www.bnet.com/blog/drug-business/study-that-triggered-...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/andre-picard/medi...

http://consumerist.com/2011/01/study-linking-vaccines-to-aut...

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#57
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That organization had much to do with starting the fraud in the first place.

Please justify that comment, references?

tokenadult is probably referring to the BMJ article at http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347.full , which finds that at least four of the children in Wakefield’s study were referred to him by JABS activists.

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most doctors get their information about medical issues by reading the marketing pamphlets from drug companies. If you actually read the relevant journal articles then you'd be significantly more knowledgeable about any given topic than the average doctor.

That's just not true. Is it necessary for me to say any more about this?

I dunno, it squares with my experience, at least until you reach a specialist.

Admittedly this is anecdotal evidence, but ...

I have diagnosed several medical issues with myself and my wife by web research, only to have to pay to go to a family doctor, who hems and haws, then gives a referral to a specialist, who agrees with what I have already stated.

Specialists in my area will not take you in without a referral from the family doctor, so basically the family doctor is collecting a fee for being a gatekeeper, since he/she adds zero value.

Something similar occurred many years ago with an eye problem I had (tear in retinal wall) - the regular eye doctor had me coming back week after week, collecting his fee each time, until I specifically asked for a referral.

The specialist saw in 3 minutes, the tear that the doctor had missed from the beginning and on each subsequent visit - the reason - the specialist had me recline to flat on my back and used a very powerful magnifying glass, while the hack ^H^H^H^H regular doctor did not.

The symptoms (large eye blockage in one eye due to large black cloudy thing that appeared one morning) clearly pointed to only this cause.

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#59
post #28

http://www.jabs.org.uk/ Look at this site and their forum for a broader perspective on vaccines and side-effects. Some highly qualified people from both sides of the fence express opinions here.

On one hand, I wish there was something your kind (McCarthy, Oprah, Wakefield) could be criminally charged with. On the other hand, that would probably trigger some martyrdom-complex and rally even more people to your cause.

Evidence against the conspiracy is only seen as further exposing the vastness and deviousness of the conspiracy.

Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud

#60
post #8

Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…

> We took her to the hospital where doctors absolutely refused to admit that the MMR vaccine could have anything to do with these symptoms she has never had before or since.

What did the doctors say was wrong with her and what do they think caused it?

If you only have one explanation, the natural tendency is to latch on to it. But there are probably millions or more different things that can go wrong with the human body and nobody knows them all.

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