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Re: GitHub Outage Currently Ongoing – Issues, PRs, Notifications

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Post by marcinzm »

megous wrote: post #23
objclxt wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps because Freenode has about 0.25% the number of users of Github - ~100,000 vs 40 million?

No, it's just the US tech bubble. When my whole country and some was suddenly denied all google services for several hours, including CDNs, DNS, all cloud, gmail, android app store, gdocs, all everything, it didn't make any news here either, despite being much more disruptive, affecting 10+ million people, and being a much more intersting reminder of how much techies make other people and themselves dependent on this…

People care about what impacts or relates to them. That's human nature. Even your example was "my country" which is something that relates to you.

Re: GitHub Outage Currently Ongoing – Issues, PRs, Notifications

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Post by inickt »

djsumdog wrote: post #24
jmisavage wrote: post #20

I kind of wish HN wouldn't show these outages unless they're going on for multiple hours or at least hide them after they're back up. Usually by the time I see them and then check myself the site is already back up. Maybe I just need to read HN more often.

Yea, there are a lot of outage posts. It does kinda illustrate how many people depend on these core services though; and how little distributeiness or elasticity is built into the system. Linux repos and ISO download sites have TONS of mirrors, sometimes contributed by companies, but also a lot of universities, government and public institutions. Why is one of the largest core open source repositories centralized and…

> Why is one of the largest core open source repositories centralized and private? Why are we so dependent on AWS, Google and others for large chunks of Internet services to be accessible?

Just speculating but I think distributed systems are just inherently more complex. Serving multiple mirrors is easy, hosting across a set of providers and keeping things in sync gets harder.

It's a problem, and besides building completely open source systems that are designed to have distributed instances, I think its a pretty hard thing to fix.

Re: GitHub Outage Currently Ongoing – Issues, PRs, Notifications

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Post by t34543 »

jmisavage wrote: post #20

I kind of wish HN wouldn't show these outages unless they're going on for multiple hours or at least hide them after they're back up. Usually by the time I see them and then check myself the site is already back up. Maybe I just need to read HN more often.

The link has been voted for - so there is at least a minimal amount of interest.

Re: GitHub Outage Currently Ongoing – Issues, PRs, Notifications

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Post by megous »

marcinzm wrote: post #31
megous wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's just the US tech bubble. When my whole country and some was suddenly denied all google services for several hours, including CDNs, DNS, all cloud, gmail, android app store, gdocs, all everything, it didn't make any news here either, despite being much more disruptive, affecting 10+ million people, and being a much more intersting reminder of how much techies make other people and themselves dependent on this…

People care about what impacts or relates to them. That's human nature. Even your example was "my country" which is something that relates to you.

That being said, being dependent on Google is not unique to my country, and almost everyone should relate to that, at this point in history. And the scale of dependence only shows when it's truly completely shut down.

Re: GitHub Outage Currently Ongoing – Issues, PRs, Notifications

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Post by pizza234 »

vallismortis wrote: post #29
jmisavage wrote: post #20

I kind of wish HN wouldn't show these outages unless they're going on for multiple hours or at least hide them after they're back up. Usually by the time I see them and then check myself the site is already back up. Maybe I just need to read HN more often.

I find the post-mortems helpful. I don't want to make the same mistakes with my infrastructure, and it gives me something to reference when, for instance, the upper management decides they want to migrate to one of these services.

True, but this is not a link to a post-mortem, it's just the status page.

Re: GitHub Outage Currently Ongoing – Issues, PRs, Notifications

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Post by ianwalter »

jddj wrote: post #21
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #7

Alright, cue the usual: Monoculture bad Microsoft bad Git is distributed but all the things around it that we really need aren't You can set up git to push to multiple remotes automatically Nobody is actually using git in distributed mode Did I forget anything?

The conspiracy about how much infrastructure has been going down this summer, and how it's probably interns / a state actor / people pushing to get things in production before performance reviews / people being on holiday / that we've reached peak complexity.

Seriously though this summer has been unusually bad ceteris paribus right? We need a State of the SaaS address.

Re: GitHub Outage Currently Ongoing – Issues, PRs, Notifications

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Post by starbugs »

djsumdog wrote: post #24
jmisavage wrote: post #20

I kind of wish HN wouldn't show these outages unless they're going on for multiple hours or at least hide them after they're back up. Usually by the time I see them and then check myself the site is already back up. Maybe I just need to read HN more often.

Yea, there are a lot of outage posts. It does kinda illustrate how many people depend on these core services though; and how little distributeiness or elasticity is built into the system. Linux repos and ISO download sites have TONS of mirrors, sometimes contributed by companies, but also a lot of universities, government and public institutions. Why is one of the largest core open source repositories centralized and…

I have a theory:

Centralized infrastructure tends to be less complex and therefore cheaper. Economies of scale drive people into using a centralized monolith and then network effects do the rest.

If you want a decentralized system to sustainably compete with a centralized one, the decentralized system must provide tangible and obvious surplus value in comparison to the centralized one or otherwise it is not economical.

In reality that's often not the case. Usability is often worse or infrastructure is in favor of centralization (e.g. asymmetric broadband internet connections).

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