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Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by glhaynes » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:10 PM UTC

thwarted wrote: post #116

jncraton wrote: post #83

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If the OS is intelligent, the memory doesn't get overwritten until it is needed. Even if an app is completely closed and its process is killed, doesn't it's image still hang around in memory for the next time it is run?

The binary and libraries and accessed (and perhaps saved) files should still be in whatever buffers/cache the operating system maintains in the unused portion of RAM, but the state of the application is gone (unless the application saved its state and will restore it upon starting up again, of course).

And it appears Lion is going to bring some help to devs on doing just that (saving/restoring state).

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by jodrellblank » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:17 PM UTC

vasi wrote: post #88

TextWrangler is available, but has removed the command-line 'edit' command, and the ability to authenticate to edit root-owned files. So it begins...

So what begins?

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by orangecat » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:23 PM UTC

jodrellblank wrote: post #222

vasi wrote: post #88

TextWrangler is available, but has removed the command-line 'edit' command, and the ability to authenticate to edit root-owned files. So it begins...

So what begins?

Crippling of the Mac for power users.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by j_baker » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:27 PM UTC

ben1040 wrote: post #86

ceejayoz wrote: post #31

If you get an error 100 ( http://yfrog.com/h4b9kkp ) attempting to download any apps, clear /Library/Caches and ~/Library/Caches. Something to do with the Terms and Conditions acceptance not firing.

Clearing the cache directories was also not sufficient for me -- I had to clear the cache directories, then sign out from my Apple ID (within the app store) and back in.

Signing out and back in worked for me. I didn't have to clear the cache.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by J3L2404 » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:27 PM UTC

elvirs wrote: post #200

J3L2404 wrote: post #195

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This part: >its amazing how apple expected customers to pay for the same digital product over and over. Or are you trying to pretend you didn't say that?

I did say that, Pay attention to 'expectED', it is in past tense, what it means is apple used to expect people to pay for redownloads or not allow redownloads at all but now with introduction of this great new feature they are going to let you redownload or 'even redownload'. pay attention to how they said 'EVEN redownload', they are making an accent on the importance of this redownload thingy. i hope you got it now.

>apple used to expect people to pay for redownloads or not allow redownloads at all

Obviously false.

Although it is mildly amusing to watch your syntactical contortions, I'm out.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by jokermatt999 » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:38 PM UTC

Travis wrote: post #167

axod wrote: post #148

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I think there's a pretty compelling argument that iTunes has become a monolithic abomination trying to do a thousand things. Split it up into more programs that each do something simple and well.

I'm not sure splitting it up is the solution. But I 100% agree, it's become a bloated piece of crap. I've thought this for a long time now. Anyone have any alternatives, that aren't something like MythTV? I just want a lightweight multimedia app for my Mac (VLC doesn't have a great "library" feature, so that's a nogo for me... but something like VLC). VLC is my favorite app ever.

VLC doesn't have a great "library" feature, so that's a nogo for me

I really wish VLC had this kind of thing. I know there's an add-ons type architecture, but I've never seen anything for it to handle libraries, sadly. Does anyone know of anything like this, or anyone working on this? I'd be quite happy to donate funds to encourage its development.

As a side note, for folks looking for a lightweight Windows alternative, foobar2000 has been wonderful for me. Low memory usage, extremely customizable UI but sensible defaults, extensible, and automatically adds files with no hassle or slowdown.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by jokermatt999 » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:44 PM UTC

riobard wrote: post #215

axomhacker wrote: post #141

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Supporting old browsers by XYZ: you have to, to profit. Supporting old OS by Apple: of course they want you to upgrade, to profit. I would not say that's because Apple is brave, it makes business sense.

By the very same logic Microsoft should push as strong as Apple because it makes even more business sense for them. They don't sell hardware. Their profit comes entirely in software. Do we see the same behavior? Hell no.

And risk alienating large businesses who want business critical legacy apps supported? I don't think so. It wouldn't make sense for Microsoft.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, because I don't have the figures to back this up, but I'd imagine most of Apple's revenue from Macs comes from the home, rather than a business environment. It's easier to convince a home user to upgrade to the latest and shiniest version than it is to convince a cautious and conservative IT department.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by borism » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:48 PM UTC

riobard wrote: post #215

axomhacker wrote: post #141

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Supporting old browsers by XYZ: you have to, to profit. Supporting old OS by Apple: of course they want you to upgrade, to profit. I would not say that's because Apple is brave, it makes business sense.

By the very same logic Microsoft should push as strong as Apple because it makes even more business sense for them. They don't sell hardware. Their profit comes entirely in software. Do we see the same behavior? Hell no.

it makes even more business sense for them

not necessarily. MSFT doesn't make PCs, unlike AAPL.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by lancewiggs » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:53 PM UTC

CWIZO wrote: post #181

gaiusparx wrote: post #171

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Apple has specifically mentioned that no trialware or Lite version of app is allowed on Mac App Store, and advise developer to host such version on their own. Good move by Apple.

Care to elaborate on why that is good?

It removes the unusable rubbish from the store. The last thing Apple (or I as a customer) want is a vast quantity of demo or crippleware on my computer and cluttering up the store.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by schrototo » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 7:53 PM UTC

webwright wrote: post #117

rimantas wrote: post #12

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Why does Apple now have three different window control styles? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20635/Screenshots/r3da.png Only three? That makes very consistent interface then. Why are there back buttons ("like a browser") but you can't right hand click to get the contextual drop down? Back buttons are there, you know, to get back. Very common usage pattern. Contextual drop down? Not that common. Even Safari does not have it…

"Back buttons are there, you know, to get back. Very common usage pattern." Apparently not common enough to warrant having a back button on the iPhone.

I'd argue that it's in fact not common enough to warrant a physical button, since there are many apps, especially games, that don't have this specific notion of "back". In my opinion, it's probably more confusing to have a button that sometimes does one thing and other times something else or even nothing.