Many people seem to believe that vaping is harmless, this is good to make the point clearly that vaping, while not as harmful as smoking cigarettes, isn't a "cost free" activity. I personally didn't realize that it could have these effects either.
Acute Effects of Electronic Cigarette Aerosol Inhalation on Vascular Function
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's correct but I worry that all this will result in banning e-cigs (in my state at least), based on the idea that cigarettes (and many other things) wouldn't have been legal/popular if they appeared today but we tolerate them because they are already a thing. The last thing I want is for my SO to go back to smoking real cigs because e-cigs become unavailable here :(
I'd like to see them made available via a prescription for smoking cessation.
I don't understand why making them available via a prescription would solve anything. I do not smoke or vape, but I have a friend who stopped smoking because vaping was accessible without going to a doctor. He just tried it because he wanted to see if it would work, and it did. He no longer vapes or smokes.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's correct but I worry that all this will result in banning e-cigs (in my state at least), based on the idea that cigarettes (and many other things) wouldn't have been legal/popular if they appeared today but we tolerate them because they are already a thing. The last thing I want is for my SO to go back to smoking real cigs because e-cigs become unavailable here :(
I'd like to see them made available via a prescription for smoking cessation.
Sure. While you're at it, please ban red meat. I eat far too much of it and need to be protected.
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#14Many people seem to believe that vaping is harmless, this is good to make the point clearly that vaping, while not as harmful as smoking cigarettes, isn't a "cost free" activity. I personally didn't realize that it could have these effects either.
Yes and we still don't know the long term effects of heavy use for a decade or two. Cigarettes were great and good for you for decades too.
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#15I'm a little confused - can someone knowledgable in the area help out? In the introduction they assert:
"Once inhaled, ultrafine particles and the oxidant species located on their surface can translocate into the vascular space (13), resulting in a state of chronic vascular inflammation and oxidative stress noxious to endothelial function."
However in the conclusion they state:
"Inhaling nicotine-free electronic cigarette aerosol transiently impacted endothelial function in healthy nonsmokers"
It sounds like in the introduction they are aware of studies that concluded the aerosol inhalation causes chronic issues with endothelial function, but they concluded that it only has a transient effect. Are they refuting those claims? Did I miss something?
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It should also be clear that not using electronic cigarettes is better than using them.
I've never seen anyone argue they are harmless, just that they are less harmful than actual cigarettes. The problem is that places are banning e-cigs, which presumably drives people back to smoking. Which is worse for everyone.
Less harmful than tobacco is a very low bar. Especially for non-smokers. If it was treated like methadone then cool, but seems like these days most of the vapers are young, new users. Not recovering cigarette addicts.
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It should also be clear that not using electronic cigarettes is better than using them.
I've never seen anyone argue they are harmless, just that they are less harmful than actual cigarettes. The problem is that places are banning e-cigs, which presumably drives people back to smoking. Which is worse for everyone.
Anecdotally, I hear many friends say they are harmless. Surprisingly a nurse friend of mine vapes Juuls and isn't worried about the health impacts. I think plenty of people actually take it that since they are not cigarettes and are "just nicotine" they don't worry about their safety.
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It should also be clear that not using electronic cigarettes is better than using them.
I've never seen anyone argue they are harmless, just that they are less harmful than actual cigarettes. The problem is that places are banning e-cigs, which presumably drives people back to smoking. Which is worse for everyone.
I don't think that's true. The case against vaping is that it draws in people younger and ones that wouldn't otherwise smoke. In that case, the marginal harm from vaping might outweigh the marginal gain for smokers. Particular, since it's worse than quitting entirely, and you'd have to see how many people do not quit nicotine products because vaping is available.
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#19I'm a little confused - can someone knowledgable in the area help out? In the introduction they assert: "Once inhaled, ultrafine particles and the oxidant species located on their surface can translocate into the vascular space (13), resulting in a state of chronic vascular inflammation and oxidative stress noxious to endothelial function." However in the conclusion they state: "Inhaling nicotine-free electronic ciga…
Maybe the duration of the study is too short to definitively conclude a chronic effect, even though they suspect it is there.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd like to see them made available via a prescription for smoking cessation.
Sure. While you're at it, please ban red meat. I eat far too much of it and need to be protected.
If someone starts selling nicotine-laced steaks, I'll be the first to advocate for an FDA crackdown on it.