I saw someone yesterday who was in his 30's with measles, his mother sitting next to him explaining why she didn't get him vaccinated because she thought it would make him sick.
Was his name Peter Pan?
The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
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Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
#12Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…
Unless you are a trained medical professional in this particular area of study, you have absolutely no business making up your own mind.
Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
#13Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…
Can you please provide credible (i.e. peer-reviewed) references to the symptoms you describe being a known side-effect of MMR vaccination? And to doctors being "encouraged" not to admit said side-effects? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying what you are describing is really unusual.
Which brings me to my next point: any decision has consequences. If there is a 1 in 1 billion chance of a side-effect, and a 1 in 5000 chance of getting a debilitating disease, I think it's still fair to make the argument that the treatment is not just for society but also for the patient. Who is "society" if not "all the patients?"
Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
#14Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…
The problem with anecdotal evidence is that what you are saying may be 100% true, but statistically, it was bound to happen that two unrelated episodes would coincide the way you describe them. What you don't see in this thread is millions of people sharing their experience that they had the MMR vaccine, and nothing happened after 10 days.
Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
#15This bastard belongs in jail.
Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
#16Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…
Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals
Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because some vaccines are not always good for individuals, however the MMR vaccine has been found completly safe.
Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
#17Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…
Can you please provide credible (i.e. peer-reviewed) references to the symptoms you describe being a known side-effect of MMR vaccination? And to doctors being "encouraged" not to admit said side-effects? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying what you are describing is really unusual. Which brings me to my next point: any decision has consequences. If there is a 1 in 1 billion chance of a side-effect, and a 1…
> Who is "society" if not "all the patients?"
In your hypothetical case, the treatment is beneficial both for society and for the patient. On the other hand, if there is a 1 in 100 chance of a side effect versus a 1 in 1000 chance of getting a debilitating disease, the vaccination may not be good for the patient. But if the chance of getting the debilitating disease would be 1 in 10 without herd immunity, then the vaccination is good for society.
It's just that most of the benefits of the vaccination flow not to the patient but to the other people they don't infect, and transitively.
Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
#18Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…
> My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK.
A one-in-a-million coincidence happens 7,000 times in the world's population. There will always be anecdotes, correlation doesn't prove causation.
Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
#19Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…
People are protective of their kids but they are not always very rational about the relative risks their children face. Vaccines are good for society and they are good for individuals, but like all medical treatments that occur to millions, even tiny risks will affect some individuals.
Measles kills. Polio cripples. Faking research to show a false result about vaccines doesn't protect children, it is tantamount to murdering children and adults by making them susceptible to dangerous diseases.
As you yourself admit, your daughter had a possible temporary reaction ("these symptoms she has never had before or since"). Temporary symptoms are hard to diagnose, especially in children who can't describe their symptoms. It was probably very scary but since I'm related to people who spent time in iron lungs because of polio, my family knows that there are other equally scary things. Watching your child succumb to a horrible easily preventable disease is probably pretty scary.
About the mercury:
The mercury in the preservative is ethylmercury not methylmercury, ethylmercury behaves differently and clears the body faster leading to a shorter period of exposure than methylmercury.
The bans in Japan and other countries weren't based on toxicity studies but on a precautionary approach and pressure from non-scientists. The bans may have been sensible or pointless but it doesn't prove things one way or the other.
Re: The "vaccination causes autism" fraud
#20Bottom line: vaccines are good for society but fault lines occur because vaccines are not always good for individuals and government are conditioned to not admit this or keep it as quiet as possible. My daughter had complications 10 days after her MMR in the UK. She had episodes of going floppy and eyes rolling back in her head while making strange mewing sounds. 10 days is around the time that the measles component…
Unless you are a trained medical professional in this particular area of study, you have absolutely no business making up your own mind.
Most doctors get their information about medical issues by reading the marketing pamphlets from drug companies. If you actually read the relevant journal articles then you'd be significantly more knowledgeable about any given topic than the average doctor.