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Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by Xelbair »

magashna wrote: post #59
superasn wrote: post #22

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Believe it or not but the web is literally unusable if I use any other browser not based on chrome because: - The search is degraded (it hides the advanced search menu in Google and most dropdowns in ff) - Most of the sites use Recaptcha or cloudflare (also an extension of recaptcha) which gives you a low bot score if you're using anything other than chrome and then begins the never ending exercise of identifying car…

can't be that "literally unusable" since I've been using FF for over 10 years and never had any of these issues

The only ones i come in contact with are horrible captchas on FF and god awfully slow gmail(that looks loaded but takes minutes(!) to work)

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by tiernano »

Mindwipe wrote: post #38
Kiro wrote: post #30

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I'm all for bashing AMP but I can't remember a single time I've had to get out of AMP to get it working. Do you have any examples?

Literally every page on the Guardian, as the AMP pages don't include comments?

i wouldn't exactly consider comments not loading to be a "broken" site... Granted, its handy on some sites, but meh on most...

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by esrauch »

dkersten wrote: post #27
cocochanel wrote: post #16

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Yet another HN user talking about their use case. 99% of people are not your typical HN user.

So, 99% of people care more about aesthetics than about than content? Got anything to back that up?

I'm surely still not in the 99% but honestly there's hardly any content that individually actually matters to me, it's almost all info-tainment. If it's hard to read then I won't bother at all.

There's exceptions like restaurant menus at specific places that I'm considering, but certainly there's no mainstream news article that's worth me staining my eyes over: if it loads a desktop site on my mobile phone I'll definitely just hit back and move on regardless of the content.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by gnu8 »

esrauch wrote: post #63
dkersten wrote: post #27

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So, 99% of people care more about aesthetics than about than content? Got anything to back that up?

I'm surely still not in the 99% but honestly there's hardly any content that individually actually matters to me, it's almost all info-tainment. If it's hard to read then I won't bother at all. There's exceptions like restaurant menus at specific places that I'm considering, but certainly there's no mainstream news article that's worth me staining my eyes over: if it loads a desktop site on my mobile phone I'll defin…

It's sort of like saying 99% of cattle prefer the chute that brings them most efficiently to the killing grate. It isn't really about what they want, just about how they behave.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by danShumway »

cocochanel wrote: post #16
cryptica wrote: post #7

I think that the mobile trend was blown way out of proportion. I very often find myself clicking on the 'Browse desktop version' button when browsing a so-called 'mobile-friendly' version of a site. Is the look of the website really more important than the content and functionality? For me, it's not. This is just another example of a big tech monopoly imposing their highly opinionated ideas on billions of people. Als…

Yet another HN user talking about their use case. 99% of people are not your typical HN user.

> Is the look of the website really more important than the content and functionality?

If 99% of people don't agree with this, then why are we wasting time with AMP? AMP's primary sales-pitch to end-users when it first came out was that pages would be faster and content would be more uniform, because site operators wouldn't be allowed to add custom styles and flashy controls or widgets.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by vmednis »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #58
cryptica wrote: post #7

I think that the mobile trend was blown way out of proportion. I very often find myself clicking on the 'Browse desktop version' button when browsing a so-called 'mobile-friendly' version of a site. Is the look of the website really more important than the content and functionality? For me, it's not. This is just another example of a big tech monopoly imposing their highly opinionated ideas on billions of people. Als…

The worst is the "mobile-first" approach which makes the desktop version suffers. Reddit's new redesign looks terrible on a 21:9 screen. Most content is centered on 1/3 on the screen. So much wasted horizontal space.

I'd say the redesign actually makes Reddit usable on a 21:9 screen not the other way around. I mostly browse text based subreddits so entire paragraphs becoming one long line which to read you have to move your head is more annoying. The redesign makes the site usable on more than a 5:4 or 4:3 monitor for which the original version was designed for.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by acdha »

Xelbair wrote: post #61
magashna wrote: post #59

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can't be that "literally unusable" since I've been using FF for over 10 years and never had any of these issues

The only ones i come in contact with are horrible captchas on FF and god awfully slow gmail(that looks loaded but takes minutes(!) to work)

Are you using a VPN or other high-latency connection? In a clean Firefox install, Gmail takes a couple seconds to be usable — not as fast as I'd like but nowhere near a minute even on marginal WiFi.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by ethbro »

cameronbrown wrote: post #45
cryptica wrote: post #25

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Personally, I don't even mind panning around across both axes and zooming in but I may be a minority in that respect. Probably a large minority nonetheless. On Android/Chrome, the experience is not bad. When you load the desktop site, it looks very small but you see the whole thing. Then you can zoom in and pan using your fingers... Not so different from how you use Google maps. It's just a tiny bit slower than on de…

You are an outlier. Most people will not pan around to read an article - they'll just switch to an app instead of the web.

Are you sure?

Content monitizers are heavily incentivized to switch users from web to app.

So is this user-orginated or owner-pressured?

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by RobertRoberts »

What would it take to get the internet community to really see the danger of AMP?

Some kind of social media campaign?

AMP will rot away a free and open internet. The internet will be turned into a walled garden for Google/Alphabet's sole benefit. (or at least a large enough chunk of it to make avoiding Google/Alphabet nearly impossible)

Edit: clarity.

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