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Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by gorhill »

AgentME wrote: post #24
buboard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are building another monstrosity to be able to masquerade as your entire domain. But it is optional , of course /s

Website authors opting in to letting another server serve content "as" their own domain isn't anything new: it's what CDNs do. The Signed Exchanges standard is actually a huge step up because the website authors get to cryptographically sign their content. With normal CDNs, if the CDN is malicious or gets hacked, the CDN is free to serve modified content on the original domain.

> Signed Exchanges standard is actually a huge step up

Signed exchanges is considered harmful by Mozilla.[1]

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[1] https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by acdha »

superasn wrote: post #22
maaaats wrote: post #9

Google intentionally gimps Firefox on Android, by serving an old-school page. Using an addon (which you can on mobile Fx, and not on Chrome), fixes this by editing the UA string when visiting Google. Getting the "nice experience", however, gives me amp links. And when I click on them, I'm unable to scroll?! It doesn't matter if it loads fast, when I cannot read beyond the fold. It also breaks the "open in app" I norm…

Believe it or not but the web is literally unusable if I use any other browser not based on chrome because: - The search is degraded (it hides the advanced search menu in Google and most dropdowns in ff) - Most of the sites use Recaptcha or cloudflare (also an extension of recaptcha) which gives you a low bot score if you're using anything other than chrome and then begins the never ending exercise of identifying car…

None of those are true in my experience using Firefox or Safari. I don’t know if you are using extensions or something like Tor but it might be worth trying again in a clean install.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by turbonoobie »

dfhdshfff wrote: post #48
cocochanel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet another HN user talking about their use case. 99% of people are not your typical HN user.

for example the mobile version of facebook, doesn't let you see messages. The desktop one does and works fine.

I've been able to see/send messages from the mobile site recently actually.

I might finally be able to remove the Messenger app from my phone as well.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by manigandham »

cryptica wrote: post #7

I think that the mobile trend was blown way out of proportion. I very often find myself clicking on the 'Browse desktop version' button when browsing a so-called 'mobile-friendly' version of a site. Is the look of the website really more important than the content and functionality? For me, it's not. This is just another example of a big tech monopoly imposing their highly opinionated ideas on billions of people. Als…

Ironically, when Apple first launched the iPhone, full-size desktop viewing of websites was a major feature. It's strange that the world has reverted back into making an entirely separate mobile internet.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by Avamander »

gorhill wrote: post #51
AgentME wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Website authors opting in to letting another server serve content "as" their own domain isn't anything new: it's what CDNs do. The Signed Exchanges standard is actually a huge step up because the website authors get to cryptographically sign their content. With normal CDNs, if the CDN is malicious or gets hacked, the CDN is free to serve modified content on the original domain.

> Signed Exchanges standard is actually a huge step up Signed exchanges is considered harmful by Mozilla.[1] * * * [1] https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/

Yet they didn't consider Cliqz harmful when they shipped that. Pot calling the kettle black, I'm using IceCat where possible instead.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by skocznymroczny »

cryptica wrote: post #7

I think that the mobile trend was blown way out of proportion. I very often find myself clicking on the 'Browse desktop version' button when browsing a so-called 'mobile-friendly' version of a site. Is the look of the website really more important than the content and functionality? For me, it's not. This is just another example of a big tech monopoly imposing their highly opinionated ideas on billions of people. Als…

The worst is the "mobile-first" approach which makes the desktop version suffers. Reddit's new redesign looks terrible on a 21:9 screen. Most content is centered on 1/3 on the screen. So much wasted horizontal space.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by magashna »

superasn wrote: post #22
maaaats wrote: post #9

Google intentionally gimps Firefox on Android, by serving an old-school page. Using an addon (which you can on mobile Fx, and not on Chrome), fixes this by editing the UA string when visiting Google. Getting the "nice experience", however, gives me amp links. And when I click on them, I'm unable to scroll?! It doesn't matter if it loads fast, when I cannot read beyond the fold. It also breaks the "open in app" I norm…

Believe it or not but the web is literally unusable if I use any other browser not based on chrome because: - The search is degraded (it hides the advanced search menu in Google and most dropdowns in ff) - Most of the sites use Recaptcha or cloudflare (also an extension of recaptcha) which gives you a low bot score if you're using anything other than chrome and then begins the never ending exercise of identifying car…

can't be that "literally unusable" since I've been using FF for over 10 years and never had any of these issues

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Post by AJ007 »

dessant wrote: post #12
maaaats wrote: post #9

Google intentionally gimps Firefox on Android, by serving an old-school page. Using an addon (which you can on mobile Fx, and not on Chrome), fixes this by editing the UA string when visiting Google. Getting the "nice experience", however, gives me amp links. And when I click on them, I'm unable to scroll?! It doesn't matter if it loads fast, when I cannot read beyond the fold. It also breaks the "open in app" I norm…

There is a bug report [1] that tracks Google serving a second tier search experience for Firefox for Android. Google has been dragging their feet for years on this one, and it perfectly fits their "oopsies" pattern of behavior [2], which ends up hurting their competition. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=975444 [2] https://www.computerworld.com/article/3389882/former-mozilla...

This is yet another case where Google probably has minimal to no benefit from doing it, but when produced collectively with other evidence in an anti-trust case will do an incredible amount of damage.
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