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A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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post #9

Google intentionally gimps Firefox on Android, by serving an old-school page. Using an addon (which you can on mobile Fx, and not on Chrome), fixes this by editing the UA string when visiting Google. Getting the "nice experience", however, gives me amp links. And when I click on them, I'm unable to scroll?! It doesn't matter if it loads fast, when I cannot read beyond the fold. It also breaks the "open in app" I norm…

Google's not done 'til only Chrome runs.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

#42
post #24
post #21

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They are building another monstrosity to be able to masquerade as your entire domain. But it is optional , of course /s

Website authors opting in to letting another server serve content "as" their own domain isn't anything new: it's what CDNs do. The Signed Exchanges standard is actually a huge step up because the website authors get to cryptographically sign their content. With normal CDNs, if the CDN is malicious or gets hacked, the CDN is free to serve modified content on the original domain.

A CDN that you have no choice but to use if you want to reach mobile users, otherwise your site will be so artificially de-ranked nobody will click it.

A CDN where active content is extremely limited, and advertising is effectively limited to Google.

A CDN entirely under control of the biggest search engine, who has a direct, a perverse incentive to take as much traffic from you as they can (see info boxes).

Presenting Google AMP as "just" a CDN is very dishonest.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

#43
post #9

Google intentionally gimps Firefox on Android, by serving an old-school page. Using an addon (which you can on mobile Fx, and not on Chrome), fixes this by editing the UA string when visiting Google. Getting the "nice experience", however, gives me amp links. And when I click on them, I'm unable to scroll?! It doesn't matter if it loads fast, when I cannot read beyond the fold. It also breaks the "open in app" I norm…

The amp problem I have on Firefox for Android is that AMP links to TomsHardware articles never load. I have to re-write the URL to replace "amp" with "www" to be able to read an article.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

#44
post #23

AMP isn't all bad. SXG from AMP will enable advanced P2P CDN tech to flourish. Unfortunately Mozilla has decided to not support it.

it's like we learned nothing from the wml fiasco and are jumping both feet in the same system with the same shortcomings

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

#45
post #20

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But most purely desktop sites, are in fact, not anywhere close to good on mobile. A good test is: do you need to zoom in and then pan horizontally to be able to read the content?

Personally, I don't even mind panning around across both axes and zooming in but I may be a minority in that respect. Probably a large minority nonetheless. On Android/Chrome, the experience is not bad. When you load the desktop site, it looks very small but you see the whole thing. Then you can zoom in and pan using your fingers... Not so different from how you use Google maps. It's just a tiny bit slower than on de…

You are an outlier. Most people will not pan around to read an article - they'll just switch to an app instead of the web.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Yet another HN user talking about their use case. 99% of people are not your typical HN user.

So, 99% of people care more about aesthetics than about than content? Got anything to back that up?

Basically (since most people won't use the features of the desktop version and would be severely slowed down by it on mobile): Yes.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

#47
post #9

Google intentionally gimps Firefox on Android, by serving an old-school page. Using an addon (which you can on mobile Fx, and not on Chrome), fixes this by editing the UA string when visiting Google. Getting the "nice experience", however, gives me amp links. And when I click on them, I'm unable to scroll?! It doesn't matter if it loads fast, when I cannot read beyond the fold. It also breaks the "open in app" I norm…

This just makes Google look bad. Don't use it. DuckDuckGo delivers a much better experience.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

#48
post #7

I think that the mobile trend was blown way out of proportion. I very often find myself clicking on the 'Browse desktop version' button when browsing a so-called 'mobile-friendly' version of a site. Is the look of the website really more important than the content and functionality? For me, it's not. This is just another example of a big tech monopoly imposing their highly opinionated ideas on billions of people. Als…

Yet another HN user talking about their use case. 99% of people are not your typical HN user.

for example the mobile version of facebook, doesn't let you see messages. The desktop one does and works fine.

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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Personally, I don't even mind panning around across both axes and zooming in but I may be a minority in that respect. Probably a large minority nonetheless. On Android/Chrome, the experience is not bad. When you load the desktop site, it looks very small but you see the whole thing. Then you can zoom in and pan using your fingers... Not so different from how you use Google maps. It's just a tiny bit slower than on de…

You are an outlier. Most people will not pan around to read an article - they'll just switch to an app instead of the web.

As another "outlier" who doesn't mind panning around to read an article (though i do prefer if i don't have to), do you have a source about the behavior of those fabled "most people"?

Re: A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But most purely desktop sites, are in fact, not anywhere close to good on mobile. A good test is: do you need to zoom in and then pan horizontally to be able to read the content?

Personally, I don't even mind panning around across both axes and zooming in but I may be a minority in that respect. Probably a large minority nonetheless. On Android/Chrome, the experience is not bad. When you load the desktop site, it looks very small but you see the whole thing. Then you can zoom in and pan using your fingers... Not so different from how you use Google maps. It's just a tiny bit slower than on de…

> Personally, I

There's your problem

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