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The Financialization of the American Elite

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He's missing a big change since 1949 or 1974 - the demise of communism. It's not that communism was all that successful, but it was competition for capitalism. Capitalism had to do better for the voters than communism. From about 1920 to 1980, American business was scared of communism as an alternative system. In the 1950s and 1960s, when the USSR looked to be surging ahead, there was heavy PR about how capitalism de…

Suppose you could create a system to compete with capitalism. What would it be like?

It feels like we aren't really in a capitalistic system as much as we used to. The moral hazard of zero percent interest seems to have infected the way we allocate capitol. One example is the We Company S1 where basically, like FB and Snap, investors no longer have a say in how the business is run because the founder(s) control all the voting shares. Basically in the past, capital was scarce and so investors could demand some seat at the table. The system now is so awash in cheap cash, it isn't hard to find funding for any half-decent idea in either tech or biotech. Maybe a competing system to what we have now will be one where capital becomes scarce again? Does that happen only when inflation starts to trickle into the products the average, non-investor buys on a daily basis?

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He's missing a big change since 1949 or 1974 - the demise of communism. It's not that communism was all that successful, but it was competition for capitalism. Capitalism had to do better for the voters than communism. From about 1920 to 1980, American business was scared of communism as an alternative system. In the 1950s and 1960s, when the USSR looked to be surging ahead, there was heavy PR about how capitalism de…

There's a bigger underlying market condition from 1949: World War 2.

Most of the industrialized world had been decimated. Continental Europe had been marched all over with bridges and factories destroyed. The UK was crippled and barely hanging on. Japan had destroyed huge swathes of China and the US nuked Japan.

On the Allies side, morale was high and the US was lending to the world to rebuild. Even better - economically - initially those countries had little production capability so they were consuming more than they were producing.

The US was guaranteed to win economically because we were the only one in the race.

By the 70s, much of the world was back on its feet and quickly improving even becoming competitive in numerous areas.

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He's missing a big change since 1949 or 1974 - the demise of communism. It's not that communism was all that successful, but it was competition for capitalism. Capitalism had to do better for the voters than communism. From about 1920 to 1980, American business was scared of communism as an alternative system. In the 1950s and 1960s, when the USSR looked to be surging ahead, there was heavy PR about how capitalism de…

Interesting point, but isn't the fear of a Socialist takeover ever-present? Or perhaps the media/political powers are just paying lip service? The rise of Globalism, Technology, and the cult of Greed also seem to have played a part.

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I have to say, these three particular sections are able to finely articulate what I've been thinking as I watch rich people try to run the United States.

> "At bottom, when many of our country’s wealthy citizens say “democracy,” what they really mean is “our class’s way of life.” If they respected democracy as fervently as they worship the “invisible hand,” they would see that the popular discontent simmering across the world today is the direct result of decades of elite hypocrisy and greed, hidden behind a façade of neoliberal economics.

> "The “center” is not where the best policy is made, or where public opinion converges; it is a place where political activity is fully dominated by financial elites and thoroughly subordinated to the mar­ket."

> "These are the same people who have left us with an upside-down economy and a weakened social fabric. Income inequality, financialization, and a socially inefficient distribution of both capital and tal­ent are the legacies of shareholder capitalism. Although these elites now mourn the erosion of the political “center,” they actively par­ticipated in the erosion of the American middle class. To add insult to injury, they insist on telling us elaborate stories about their entrepreneurial spirit and good intentions, and invite us to celebrate their virtue when they give back a tiny share of their captured wealth."

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He's missing a big change since 1949 or 1974 - the demise of communism. It's not that communism was all that successful, but it was competition for capitalism. Capitalism had to do better for the voters than communism. From about 1920 to 1980, American business was scared of communism as an alternative system. In the 1950s and 1960s, when the USSR looked to be surging ahead, there was heavy PR about how capitalism de…

Suppose you could create a system to compete with capitalism. What would it be like?

We don’t need to create a new system. Capitalism is perfectly fine with a few tweaks.

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I rarely buy the "deeply flawed messenger" argument. Here, he's basically criticizing short-term business thinking, which he also took advantage of as an investor. Should we therefore put him in a hippo crate? Few people in the tech community say "This guy exploited a security bug. Therefore, we shouldn't listen to his bug reports." In fact, you can't really understand a bug except by trying to exploit it. I suspect…

It's demonstrated later in the article that he continued to take advantage of short-term business thinking with probable bad externalities all the while and after he was trying to repair his reputation with his Harvard donations and conciliatory speeches.

In particular, the argument is that the critiques offered in conferences like this are insincere and aimed at preserving the insiders' status rather than actually changing any of the things they're talking about: "His career tells us how he would advise those beginning their careers to navigate these challenges: Loudly criticize political dysfunction, but make no effort to explore its structural causes or remedies...[his] prominence conveys that incongruence between words and actions is tolerable, even desired." And further, that it would be "foolish to listen" to said finance people's self-serving political solutions.

A closer equivalent in the tech community would be more like "this guy has spent decades running shady adtech and addictive gaming companies, and continues to traffick personal information and addict kids to pay-to-play games, but is now also running an organization dedicated to digital privacy and is building a reputation as an expert in parenting in the digital age and voluntary gaming regulation".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppose you could create a system to compete with capitalism. What would it be like?

We don’t need to create a new system. Capitalism is perfectly fine with a few tweaks.

I think Animats' argument is that capitalism isn't getting those tweaks because there's no competition. Capitalism as a system has a near-monopoly. Back when it had serious competition from the Soviet Union, people tried much harder to make it work better.

So the new system doesn't have to actually be better overall than capitalism, it just needs to provide some competition to light a fire under policy makers.

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He's missing a big change since 1949 or 1974 - the demise of communism. It's not that communism was all that successful, but it was competition for capitalism. Capitalism had to do better for the voters than communism. From about 1920 to 1980, American business was scared of communism as an alternative system. In the 1950s and 1960s, when the USSR looked to be surging ahead, there was heavy PR about how capitalism de…

Interesting point, but isn't the fear of a Socialist takeover ever-present? Or perhaps the media/political powers are just paying lip service? The rise of Globalism, Technology, and the cult of Greed also seem to have played a part.

Currently, the fear of socialism in the US looks like fear of Bernie in 2020. In 1920, fear of socialism looked like the Russian Revolution. Then capitalists could get shot. Now they might get taxed.

Those two scenarios lead to two different levels of fear. I might care more about my workers to avoid getting shot. But if I'm too greedy and the only consequence is that I might get taxed, well, why not? I might even be more greedy to try to make up for the amount I'm going to lose in taxes.

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He's missing a big change since 1949 or 1974 - the demise of communism. It's not that communism was all that successful, but it was competition for capitalism. Capitalism had to do better for the voters than communism. From about 1920 to 1980, American business was scared of communism as an alternative system. In the 1950s and 1960s, when the USSR looked to be surging ahead, there was heavy PR about how capitalism de…

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He's missing a big change since 1949 or 1974 - the demise of communism. It's not that communism was all that successful, but it was competition for capitalism. Capitalism had to do better for the voters than communism. From about 1920 to 1980, American business was scared of communism as an alternative system. In the 1950s and 1960s, when the USSR looked to be surging ahead, there was heavy PR about how capitalism de…

Suppose you could create a system to compete with capitalism. What would it be like?

As a thought experiment; how about taking some inspiration from Georgism to try to make capitalism better live up to its ideals:

At least in America, many of the wealthy are able to make money due to inherited resources that they did not earn. For example, their ancestors claimed a tract of land or access to a natural resource. Therefore, Capitalism could be brought more in line with the meritocracy that it claims to be if we taxed on the unimproved value of these resources and potentially on profit gained by rent seeking

Capitalism claims the revolve around people freely exchanging their labor for pay. However, since most people do not have access to the resources or capital to support themselves (often due to the resources already having been claimed by someone else's ancestors) they aren't really entering into the exchange freely. Therefore, Capitalism could be brought more in line with its stated libertarian principles by using the proceeds of the previously mentioned taxes to provide people without those resources with the ability to support themselves independently. This could potentially take the form of capital grants, education, farm land. If it weren't possible to actually give people a reasonable opportunity to support themselves, then a guaranteed minimum income could also address the issue (although I don't think its as good of a solution).

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