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Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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Post by uasm »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #72
uasm wrote: post #71

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> "It's the employers bending and breaking the rules and regulators not enforcing them" Those are serious accusations, coming with absolutely no proof whatsoever. You can't possibly claim rules are being broken at scale when it comes to bringing in skilled migrants into the US. That just rings like xenophobic scaremongering.

Disney broke the law when attempting to replace its IT department with guest workers. Proof enough?

> "Disney broke the law when attempting to replace its IT department with guest workers. Proof enough?"

You're lying again: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/us/judge-says-disney-didn...

Will you stop spreading false information? And will you stop making up false accusations?

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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Post by cptskippy »

TMWNN wrote: post #79
cptskippy wrote: post #21

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> in my case it was because you'd not find someone with my particular skill at that point in time. That's how the program is sold and it's incredibly easy to game. Require 10 years of Swift experience and suddenly the candidate pool is dry. Generally most, if not all, IT job postings list an unrealistic and fictitious skill set. > I was also paid more than the employees at the company I was contracted to work at The…

>That's how the program is sold and it's incredibly easy to game. Require 10 years of Swift experience and suddenly the candidate pool is dry. Generally most, if not all, IT job postings list an unrealistic and fictitious skill set. Can't such abuse be avoided by requiring the "winning" candidate to show that he indeed has 10 years of Swift experience?

To whom?

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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Post by rollingdeep »

uasm wrote: post #81
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney broke the law when attempting to replace its IT department with guest workers. Proof enough?

> "Disney broke the law when attempting to replace its IT department with guest workers. Proof enough?" You're lying again: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/us/judge-says-disney-didn... Will you stop spreading false information? And will you stop making up false accusations?

>The outsourcing companies argued that the law would apply to them only if the American workers who were displaced by visa holders they hired had originally been their employees, not Disney’s. Judge Presnell was persuaded by that argument, although he did not entirely reject the idea that the Americans were “adversely affected” by being fired.

>>The decision was a broad victory for Disney and its contractors, but Judge Presnell left the former workers a small window to amend their lawsuits and to try again.

The lower court’s decision was based on a literal technicality loophole in the regulation where two companies are involved instead of one. An appeal was left open where a higher court may choose to use more leeway in interpreting the spirit and intent of the law and whether that technicality is skirting the law.

Please don’t post misinformation and straw man arguments instead of the OP’s intent.

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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Post by henvic »

ktta wrote: post #80
bumby wrote: post #78

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Out of curiosity, is there a method of implementation you'd be more in favor of?

Yes, a preference system similar to the Canadian one, which has a points system based on a variety of factors. Especially factoring in the fields with the most need and also education level (or equivalent experience that is actually verified). That is a more clearer approach than a lottery based one. This is what I would suggest if I was American. Speaking as a non-American: I have issues with the intent too, because…

I'd disagree on the salaries drop. Imagine if poor immigrants weren't allowed in the US. Bathrooms wouldn't clean itself (maybe in Japan?). What would happen is that many more Americans would be working on entry-level jobs than currently: this is something hard to see because we take what we have for granted, and seeing what we wouldn't have is harder. Another point is that we produce just a couple of things our whole lives, but consume hundred of thousands. The more diverse the knowledge, expertise, and wish to work of people around us, the better we tend to be.

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Post by henvic »

bumby wrote: post #77
henvic wrote: post #74

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You don't need to support it. What you don't have a right to do is to try to use the state to prohibit it. If you want to buy local, it's your prerogative, and there is nothing wrong with your choice. However, if your neighbor wants to buy from elsewhere, it's theirs as well, and this is valid for both buying bananas or engineer work.

If they live in the United States they have a right to use the state to prohibit it. The First Amendment guarantees the right to petition the government for redress of grievances (whether real or perceived). In the words of the Copley First Amendment Center, "People have the right to appeal to government in favor of or against policies that affect them or in which they feel strongly. This freedom includes the right t…

It might be lawful, but it isn't ethical. It's just legal plunder at its best.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_plunder

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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Post by ktta »

henvic wrote: post #84
ktta wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a preference system similar to the Canadian one, which has a points system based on a variety of factors. Especially factoring in the fields with the most need and also education level (or equivalent experience that is actually verified). That is a more clearer approach than a lottery based one. This is what I would suggest if I was American. Speaking as a non-American: I have issues with the intent too, because…

I'd disagree on the salaries drop. Imagine if poor immigrants weren't allowed in the US. Bathrooms wouldn't clean itself (maybe in Japan?). What would happen is that many more Americans would be working on entry-level jobs than currently: this is something hard to see because we take what we have for granted, and seeing what we wouldn't have is harder. Another point is that we produce just a couple of things our whol…

I don't disagree with you, and actually phrased it as a 'possible' situation, not a definite one.

There is also another way of looking at it, that I actually believe, which is that immigrants create more jobs than they take in the long term (not talking generations). If you look at the big startups right now and even the Fortune 500, you'll find that many are founded by first generation immigrants, and a lot more second generation immigrants.

However, your Joe six-pack doesn't see that far, and neither has the long term health of America in mind, because if he did, he would venture out to think more critically. He's worried about what is going to happen to his job a year or two from now. Unfortunately, that affects policy to a greater effect, because that affects who he votes for and what political platform he agrees with.

I'll end this discussion with my opinion that specific immigration policies like the H1-B can hurt avg. salary because they tie the employee to the company. And the company can abuse this by paying a lower wage than market rate.

The solution to this is to allow free movement within companies without fear of being kicked out, and you won't see the abuse everyone brings up when they talk about H1-B. I haven't seen a proper discussion about this on HN. The discussion almost always oscillates between two entirely different topics, one of which is if we should allow immigrants to come in and work at all, and the other topic being how staffing companies abuse the lottery system and inflexibility of the H1-B visa.

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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Post by bumby »

henvic wrote: post #85
bumby wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they live in the United States they have a right to use the state to prohibit it. The First Amendment guarantees the right to petition the government for redress of grievances (whether real or perceived). In the words of the Copley First Amendment Center, "People have the right to appeal to government in favor of or against policies that affect them or in which they feel strongly. This freedom includes the right t…

It might be lawful, but it isn't ethical. It's just legal plunder at its best. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_plunder

I'm assuming you mean the actions of the state are unethical and not the freedom of speech to petition the government

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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Post by theflyinghorse »

henvic wrote: post #74
theflyinghorse wrote: post #60

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Why should I as a member of local labour pool support globalizing my own competition? With globalized competition will come global wages, and I outright cannot survive living here on a global wage. 5-10/h doesn't cover food+shelter for me

You don't need to support it. What you don't have a right to do is to try to use the state to prohibit it. If you want to buy local, it's your prerogative, and there is nothing wrong with your choice. However, if your neighbor wants to buy from elsewhere, it's theirs as well, and this is valid for both buying bananas or engineer work.

Are you using "Your neighbour" as a way of saying "another member of your local labour pool"? It isn't obvious to me that there would be anybody rational in the local labour pool who would willingly argue in favour of reducing their earning potential through moving bargaining balance towards capital by globalizing labour competition.

I mean why should ANY worker want to make less and thus have lower standards of living. Just doesn't make much sense to me.

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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Post by NCG_Mike »

ccffph wrote: post #34
NCG_Mike wrote: post #12

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As someone who worked in the US with a H1-B, in my case it was because you'd not find someone with my particular skill at that point in time. I was also paid more than the employees at the company I was contracted to work at - because of my particular skill and I'd taken a pay cut to move to the US. This is what the H1-B is/was supposed to be like. It does seem that it has been abused.

You were the only person in America that could do that exact task? What were you doing?

Objective-C with AppKit on MacOS 10.0. Even Apple had problems finding people and they'd bought NeXT (where my experience was from).
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