This has been known for several years by people who have followed Brian Deer’s investigations and the Autism Omnibus Proceedings.
At the same time there have been massive targeting of parents of autistic children by quack therapists.
Retracted autism/vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds
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Re: Retracted autism/vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Basically the first paper states, from what I can understand, "Some people are born with a genetic defect in their cells, specifically in the mitochondria part of the cell. When these people are injected with Thimerosal, they get autism. Others don't." My proposed solution: Check to see if the kid has this genetic defect, and if so, don't inject them with mercury, inject them with the mercury free vaccine and they wi…
Incorrect. The H1N1 vaccine given to children and pregnant women explicitly did not have Thimerosal due to exactly this sort of concern.
Read the inserts. There on the net. It contains Themerosal.
Re: Retracted autism/vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thimerosal may have been removed from vaccines in 2001/2003, but because it was used as a preservative, vaccines made before then were not taken off the shelf and recalled and still used! According to this link below some up until 2007. Then, the swine flu had Thimerosal which was given to children as well. "One point that was repeatedly stated was that except for the flu shot, all vaccines that have been offered to…
So assuming that is relevant (I don't doubt some doctor still had medicines on the shelf in 2005 (date on post) from 2001 but at what rates your comment does not state) around now we should be already seeing a large drop in autism rates since the shelf life of the older medicines has expired? As there has not been a corresponding drop at all I hold that the autism caused by mercury in vaccines lobby is barking up the…
The real question is, red pill or blue?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps
Re: Retracted autism/vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree that some analysis for laypeople would be useful, but that's part of what I love about HN: an expert in this topic might come along soon and offer such an analysis. I think having a voice of dissent that offers something other than hyperbole and unsupported hand-waving is useful, and shouldn't be discouraged.
Whereas I think that anyone who drags Thimerosal into this debate -- roughly a decade after it was removed from vaccines in response to mass hysteria -- deserves to have a bucket of water poured over their head and sent home. Just because an argument isn't made out of unsupported hand-waving doesn't mean that it isn't recycled garbage. Citations and glib technical language can be copied and pasted just as easily as m…
Read the inserts to the vaccine. "Thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is not used in the manufacturing process for the single
dose presentations; therefore these products contain no preservative. The multi-dose
presentation contains thimerosal, added as a preservative; each 0.5 mL dose contains
24.5 mcg of mercury. "
From: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines...
Re: Retracted autism/vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
There doesn't have to be a lag; if you have not gotten or spread the disease but get your immunization late, no concrete damage has occurred. It's not like the immunizations only work when you're two, they'll work anytime.
Absolutely, but once a child has left the normal cycle of immunization either the parents or the government need to make an effort to get them up to date. IMO this by and large won't happen without either policies in place or a large public interest campaign directed at it.
Are children still accepted into schools without their vaccinations? I know when I was a kid I had to bring a card with all my shots or they wouldn't enroll me. So has this requirement been dropped?
And to get a VISA for some countries you need to bring that card.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your "social proof" has a name, its called anecdotes. While occasionally reasonable in the small scale, it is absurd to believe local observations have any merit in the grand scale. "Most scientific views boil down to 'belief'" this almost sounds like your saying that nothing can truly be knowable. This is the path of nilism, not reason. Science has a rigorous process, peer review being part of it. One does not have…
Galileo was put under house arrest for the rest of his life for introducing a new concept. It took many years for Einstein's theory to get sufficient proof as to be accepted. Einstein himself said something like "You cannot solve a problem from the same level of consciousness that created it". I think it is reasonable to assume that our current medical assumptions are part of the problem when it comes to autism, whic…
Galileo did not introduce the new concept. And he was put under house arrest by scientists. Your point about Einstein just confirms that science is not about belief, but about proof.
Your reference to science in quotes is really off-putting.
Everyone who does that gets gradually sicker and sicker until they die,
usually at a young age.
Orange.
Re: Retracted autism/vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Basically the first paper states, from what I can understand, "Some people are born with a genetic defect in their cells, specifically in the mitochondria part of the cell. When these people are injected with Thimerosal, they get autism. Others don't." My proposed solution: Check to see if the kid has this genetic defect, and if so, don't inject them with mercury, inject them with the mercury free vaccine and they wi…
Also when Thimerosal was removed from most of the vaccines in 2001 it had no affect on Autism rates. This was pretty much the last nail in the coffin for that hypothesis, yet the meme continues.
From 2007:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.881:
(5) Considerable progress has been made in reducing mercury exposures from childhood vaccines, yet 8 years after the July 1999 statement, thimerosal remains in several nonroutinely administered childhood vaccines and many pediatric and adult influenza vaccines.
(6) There is no law or regulation to prohibit the reintroduction of thimerosal into any products from which it has been removed, leaving open the possibility that it may be reintroduced at some point in the future in new vaccines or vaccines from which it has already been removed.
Re: Retracted autism/vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also when Thimerosal was removed from most of the vaccines in 2001 it had no affect on Autism rates. This was pretty much the last nail in the coffin for that hypothesis, yet the meme continues.
From 2007: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.881 : (5) Considerable progress has been made in reducing mercury exposures from childhood vaccines, yet 8 years after the July 1999 statement, thimerosal remains in several nonroutinely administered childhood vaccines and many pediatric and adult influenza vaccines. (6) There is no law or regulation to prohibit the reintroduction of thimerosal into any produc…
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Re: Retracted autism/vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds
#99These conversations never go well. They are valid arguments to either side and nothing is conculsive. I think it is best to do your own research from medical journals/studies etc and do what you think is best for your children. I think that is one thing everyone here has in common, we all want to do what is best for our children.
The whole problem with the vaccine scare is that some parents believe the FUD and make the actually rational decision that they'd rather have their kids get measles and live, than get autism and be damaged for life.
These parents do what they think is best for THEIR children.
But the cost for doing this is that OTHER children that rely on herd immunity will start dying of measles.
So by having every parent do a local "optimization", the net result, an unvaccinated world, is much, much worse. And then to add insult to injury, it's just plain wrong that vaccines cause autism, so the parents that believe this are only making the world a worse place for everyone and not really doing what's best for their children in any way.
Re: Retracted autism/vaccine study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Incorrect. The H1N1 vaccine given to children and pregnant women explicitly did not have Thimerosal due to exactly this sort of concern.
Read the inserts. There on the net. It contains Themerosal.
You are not paying attention. The single-dose versions that were targeted at administration to children explicitly do not. The nasal inhalation version that was targeted for pregnant women explicitly does not. The multi-dose vials are the ones that contain Thimerosal, and those are explicitly NOT for pregnant women nor young children.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/expert.q.a/11/02/h1n1.thimero...