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Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

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Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

#91
From Twitter [1] It's Cedric Lynch's car. There is a YouTube video [2] of him showing it off and saying it goes 55mph and gets 150-200 miles on a charge of its Lithium batteries. And another picture of him with it (and also barefoot) [3]

1. https://twitter.com/mikel01/status/1163709573984899072?s=21

2. https://youtu.be/KnqoH0YaCsE

3. http://www.bikeweb.com/node/2601

Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

#92

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Additional batteries in trailers doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Or, you could just put a generator on the trailer, and get unlimited range! =)

There was an excellent old website (it when by the name Mr. Sharkey but is sadly no longer around except in some archives with missing photos) which detailed a guys experiments with an old VW Rabbit EV. He actually built a range extender trailer for it based on the front of another VW rabbit. One interesting thing is he wasn't powering a generator but actually pushed the car via the tow ball and the engine and transmission from the donor car.

Found it on archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/20121105135914/http://www.mrshark...

Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

#93

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Additional batteries in trailers doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Or, you could just put a generator on the trailer, and get unlimited range! =)

Honestly that isn’t a bad idea. It would also allow you to go on road trips where there is no charging network. Better than buying a fully ICE car instead.

I wonder if a electric car with a generator in a trailer would still be tax exempt...

Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

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I’d love an electric car but I also like my caravan (nice cheap (£20 a night) walking holidays in the countryside). I had to settle for a small diesel instead. Towing isn’t something a lot of electric cars seem to be homologated for. I think the only current exception is the Tesla Model X. Unfortunately the post-1997 EU licence restrictions (in the UK) mean that lots of people are restricted to a total gross weight o…

Towing should be a strong point of electric vehicles, with all that torque, shouldn't it?

The main limitations for towing with cars and car-like platform is tongue weight (not a big deal if you don't mind going slow) overall power and cooling. Don't get me wrong, easy starting from a stop is worth something but 90% of the benefit in that regard is gotten by going from a manual to automatic. Going EV isn't nearly as big of a jump in ease of use and it doesn't really solve any of the pain points so don't expect electric cars to revolutionize towing.

As others have pointed out, the range also tanks when towing (it tanks with gas cars too but not as badly). This is a bigger deal in an EV because you can't just gas up in 5min but not that big a deal if you're taking a pre-planned trip IMO.

Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, you could just put a generator on the trailer, and get unlimited range! =)

There was an excellent old website (it when by the name Mr. Sharkey but is sadly no longer around except in some archives with missing photos) which detailed a guys experiments with an old VW Rabbit EV. He actually built a range extender trailer for it based on the front of another VW rabbit. One interesting thing is he wasn't powering a generator but actually pushed the car via the tow ball and the engine and transm…

>but actually pushed the car via the tow ball and the engine and transmission from the donor car.

I'm sure that handled spectacularly on on-ramps. It would be like flat towing another vehicle and coming into a corner too hot.

Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

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IMHO the future of personal transportation is vehicles like that. We don't have the space in cities to support 2-3 tons of steel per traveler, and plain bicycles are uncomfortable in bad weather, or when you are physically impaired. But small (electric?) velomobiles with three or four wheels are perfect for city commutes when cycling is not an option. They also don't need 15-20kWh/100km like an electric car would.

Sir Clive Sinclair thought so too and tried to make it happen about 35 years ago, but it didn't quite catch on, to say the least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5

I seem to recall a Not-nine-o'clock-news episode where truckers were smashing C5's. This was after an episode where they smashed hedgehogs (naturally angering many).

The hedgehog thing is easily found on Youtube, but did I just imagine the C5 episode?

In any case, that was when I had pretty much given up hope with Sinclair QL (a home/business computer with 68008 CPU and 128K RAM).

Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

#97
post #5

IMHO the future of personal transportation is vehicles like that. We don't have the space in cities to support 2-3 tons of steel per traveler, and plain bicycles are uncomfortable in bad weather, or when you are physically impaired. But small (electric?) velomobiles with three or four wheels are perfect for city commutes when cycling is not an option. They also don't need 15-20kWh/100km like an electric car would.

> IMHO the future of personal transportation is vehicles like that. We don't have the space in cities to support 2-3 tons of steel per traveler, and plain bicycles are uncomfortable in bad weather, or when you are physically impaired. But small (electric?) velomobiles with three or four wheels are perfect for city commutes when cycling is not an option. They also don't need 15-20kWh/100km like an electric car would.

And it pretty much is already. For much of Asia, a 150cc scooter is a standard of personal transportation. Just wait until they change to electric.

Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

#98

In the UK can traffic police stop motorists for no reason? No probable cause required?

To be honest I would say seeing this on the road is enough to pull it over and ask for registration MOT etc. From reading the article it sounds like it was all very peaceful and went without incident.

Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

#99

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Towing should be a strong point of electric vehicles, with all that torque, shouldn't it?

I would think so, but I wonder what effect that has on the range? You can certainly feel the difference a 1300kg trailer makes to pulling away and accelerating, it effectively halves my miles-per-gallon.

Wow - interested to hear it is that dramatic. My only experience is towing a folding camper - this fits nicely in the 'slipstream' of my car, and I assume weighs less than your caravan no doubt.

But since you are limited to 60mph towing, I often find that my MPG is the same if not better when towing, though pulling away and uphill is affected. Not sure my current car would cope with a caravan!

Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle Stopped on M25 in Hertfordshire

#100
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I think the news story is also that it was spotted on the M25 which is the orbital motorway round London that is quite busy and that it is, in fact, perfectly legal. Edit: Also it is the BBC which has a track record of regarding unusual vehicles as entertaining: https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/top-gear-technology-cent... From the 'review': "Against: The crash protection is a bit fleshy"

Also it's mildy amusing that the police stopped it because OBVIOUSLY that's not road legal, but it turns out that actually there was nothing they could cite it for - unlike a good number of cars on the road.

Egregious violations of traffic laws and revenue traps notwithstanding, basically all traffic enforcement is just cops stopping whatever makes thier spidey senses tingle. If you drive something that is super odd or highly out of place you will get stopped by every bored cop. This is not the first or the last time this guy will be stopped.
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