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RIP Bill Zeller

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Re: RIP Bill Zeller

#11
All I can say is that I am angry. Not sad, but angry! Angry at what? The world? The fact that this can happen? The person that molest him? The incomprehensible miserable feeling that I cannot hope to understand?

I don't know. I just can't comprehend it.

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#13
Bill is like many others, haunted by his past, but appart from that he was a great men. Others would have killed many people rather than avoid much pain.

see you some day bill.

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#14
I've been wondering what the outcome was since the suicide note was posted here briefly the other day, and have been meaning to look for an obituary. It was a very powerful note. I hope he can finally access the peace he sought.

Re: RIP Bill Zeller

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post #11

All I can say is that I am angry. Not sad, but angry! Angry at what? The world? The fact that this can happen? The person that molest him? The incomprehensible miserable feeling that I cannot hope to understand? I don't know. I just can't comprehend it.

If you ever see an injustice being committed without the perpetrator being caught and punished, keep this in mind.

I know I will be.

Re: RIP Bill Zeller

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post #13

Bill is like many others, haunted by his past, but appart from that he was a great men. Others would have killed many people rather than avoid much pain. see you some day bill.

i don't think Bill is into your fallacy dude, your "see you someday" fallacy killed him, have a little respect.

(clearly the promoters of the comment above either didn't read the note, or have absolutely no sense of respect for what Bill said, ATROCIOUS)

Re: RIP Bill Zeller

#18
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Send his note to your friends and friends of friends. Disseminate it widely. It will send the message that people care. Somebody you know may be dealing with something similar.

Someone going through the same thing and then witnessing the end result of it on this man isn't exactly positive reinforcement

The sad part is that there are people who can keep confidences. There are counselors who would keep his confidence. There are friends who would keep his confidence. I'm convinced there's probably even a girl out there who could love him enough for who he was to help him understand that even though the darkness was present her love was for him and was willing to deal with it's presence.

If anything, this letter, and any suicide, can have the positive influence on the rest of us, encouraging us to reach out to those around us who are pained or troubled in anyway to just kind of try and lift their burdens for a moment.

Sorry if that sounds unrealistic, but there's been two suicides in my neighborhood in the last 6 months, and in both cases I think if there'd been more public discussion of options, more open discussion in society about feeling like there's no way out and what you can do when you feel that way, if there had been people who had been willing to tell people, "Hey, I know you've got issues, but I'm willing to be your friend anyway..." that in some way their lives perhaps could have been altered.

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A note of caution: If you choose to read the actual suicide note as I did, be prepared for a rather intense emotional trip. I don't mean to say that to dissuade anyone from reading it, but just that... I was not expecting what I ended up reading and it really made me sit back and, I dunno, just be sad for awhile. Such a shame.

From reading the letter you can tell he was suffering extremely from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder throughout much of his life.

I did not feel sad as much as disgusted that, through our politicians, we have:

A) made illegal the most effective treatment for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder : MDMA

B) continue to support the primary generator of new PTSD cases: war

If you want to do something other than sit around feeling sad for a while, help address one of the above problems and prevent the situation from happening again.

[further reading]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/artic...

>Ecstasy is the key to treating PTSD At last the incurably traumatised may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. And controversially, the key to taming their demons is the ‘killer’ drug Ecstasy

http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/

>For-profit pharmaceutical companies are not interested in developing MDMA into a medicine, because the patent for MDMA has expired. Companies cannot profit off of MDMA because it is only administered a limited number of times, unlike most medications for mental illnesses that are taken on a daily basis. Consequently MAPS is the only organization funding clinical trials of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in the world

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5334479/ns/health-mental_health/

>1 in 8 returning soldiers suffers from PTSD But less than half with problems seek help, report finds

Re: RIP Bill Zeller

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post #17
post #13

Bill is like many others, haunted by his past, but appart from that he was a great men. Others would have killed many people rather than avoid much pain. see you some day bill.

i don't think Bill is into your fallacy dude, your "see you someday" fallacy killed him, have a little respect. (clearly the promoters of the comment above either didn't read the note, or have absolutely no sense of respect for what Bill said, ATROCIOUS)

I don't think his intention was to offend but rather to sympathize with what Bill was going through and pay his respects to Bill's life.
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