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On Mathematical Beauty in Physics

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Why would a sense of beauty be related to natural truth? Well, say that everyone is born with a randomly assigned set of aesthetic preferences. The people whose aesthetic preferences just so happen to align with a theory that's about to be discovered will be more likely to guess at it in advance, and they will have lots of career success once experiments confirm those guesses. This selects after the fact for people whose aesthetic preferences are luckily aligned with future discoveries. Anyone who prefers the aesthetics of bad theories over good ones will either waste their time or switch to a different field, and nobody will care what they thought was beautiful at the time.

In the end, when it comes time to vote on which theories are beautiful, the theorists who thought that the best theories were beautiful will say "I always thought it was beautiful," and everyone will listen to them because their randomly assigned bias towards the good theories would have led them to respected positions. The ones who always disliked the good theories will not be around, or will have a less respected voice.

That's my theory for how the word "beauty" gets preferentially assigned to good (as in true) theories. One implication of this theory would be that even though claims of beauty tend to align with known-true theories, they aren't useful for telling in advance which theories are going to be true: the people whose preferences have randomly attached them to the bad theories today won't be silenced until the experiments come out.

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Why would a sense of beauty be related to natural truth? Well, say that everyone is born with a randomly assigned set of aesthetic preferences. The people whose aesthetic preferences just so happen to align with a theory that's about to be discovered will be more likely to guess at it in advance, and they will have lots of career success once experiments confirm those guesses. This selects after the fact for people w…

It also suggests that ugly theories are more likely to be overlooked. Since the profession selects for people who gravitate to a certain type of theory (what they call beautiful), there might be ugly-but-true theories waiting to be discovered.

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Why would a sense of beauty be related to natural truth? Well, say that everyone is born with a randomly assigned set of aesthetic preferences. The people whose aesthetic preferences just so happen to align with a theory that's about to be discovered will be more likely to guess at it in advance, and they will have lots of career success once experiments confirm those guesses. This selects after the fact for people w…

Your 'theory' is just the survivorship bias.

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> as time goes on it becomes increasingly evident that the rules which the mathematician finds interesting are the same as those which Nature has chosen

There is a fair bit of mysticism that gets bandied about along these lines--and I can certainly see why a mathematical platonist might marvel at the spooky correspondence between beautiful mathematics and to-be-discovered physical theories.

But if you can let go of the platonism, then I think a rather straightforward explanation emerges:

A mathematician is one who explores and names the various ways that a human mind can stretch and fold. I guess it's kind of like yoga. The ways of folding that best reflect whatever it is that makes the human mind, well, human--those ones we call beautiful. Nature is the only thing not of human construction that we fold our minds to fit (you might call this process 'perception')--but we are still only able to fold in human-like ways.

So the mathematician catalogs the ways we can see, and the physicist catalogs the things we do see. It doesn't strike me as especially spooky that the physicist finds things that correspond nicely to the mathematician's list.

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Reminds me of this paper in Nature from some time back. Especially, the Euler's identity graph from the paper is pretty amazing. https://www.nature.com/news/equations-are-art-inside-a-mathe...

Everybody who writes about Semir Zeki (PI on that paper) and his work is polite about him. I can only assume that this is because he is a) a likeable guy and b) the professional aestheticians and artists who could make negative comments think it wiser not to get involved in any way lest they be accused of punching down.

Euler's identity is pretty obviously something elegant, and it's widely recognized. But Zeki seems to overlook the importance of acculturation in the appreciation of these things. The idea that a mind-blowing Ramanujan formula is ugly seems particularly problematic. Sure, it is surprising, complex, and apparently arbitrary, and most test subjects won't have any insight into how it works. But why should those people (let's say they are "ignorant" when it comes to Ramanujan's results) be expected to have any opinion on the formula? Any judgement they come up with will be superficial.

This problem runs through most of Zeki's work. His experiments take test subjects who are, as it were, preloaded with certain aesthetic experiences and norms, and attempt to derive universal cognitive principles of beauty from the result. What he doesn't do is try to discover just what those aesthetic prejudices are. He doesn't try to extract from the test subjects the key features of their aesthetic indoctrination. In the math situation, it's totally conceivable that a group of test subjects who were educated to find every Ramanujan formula transcendently fascinating would rate those formulas as beautiful.

The problem is more conspicuous when his research looks at art. Since he hasn't studied art himself, he really doesn't seem to appreciate the basic reality: that some people have learned to 'get' certain styles or genres of art, while others haven't had the good fortune to learn to appreciate those same styles. People walk around with extremely complex acquired aesthetic processing capabilities in their heads. Everyone's is different, and while Zeki may be able to find some universal regularities, (like Chomsky's hypothesized universal innate grammar) that wouldn't be a neural explanation of aesthetics any more than the success of Chomsky's programme would tell us about the nature of literature.

It's a frivolous exercise from the point of view of anyone seriously interested in art (or math).

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I think it’s mostly a case of the drunk looking for his keys under the lamp post because that’s where the light is.

We have no idea how much there is to know about reality. We do know how to describe some parts with mathematics, but who knows how much there is out there which is not possible to describe with mathematics.

We may just be discovering infinitesimally small part ls of reality which math happens to describe well.

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I found the book "Our Mathematical Universe" by Max Tegmark, a physicist, a pretty good read. His idea is basically that the universe isn't explained by math, it IS math. To get to what he means by that he provides a good review of theoretical physics/cosmology/quantum mechanics. No idea how other physicists think of his work but for someone not in the field who has some interest I thought it was a good overview and even if his ideas are wrong gives you something to think about.

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“The artist, the musical composer, the architect, the scientist all feel a fundamental need to discover and create something new that is whole and total, harmonious and beautiful.”

“Having seen that the perception of harmony and totality need not be a purely private kind of judgement, one can now understand in a new light the fact that the really great scientists have, without exception, all seen in the structural process of nature a vast harmony of order of indescribable beauty… Indeed, every great scientific theory was in reality founded on such perception of some very general and fundamental feature of the harmony of nature’s order. Such perceptions, when expressed systematically and formally, are called “laws of nature.”

-- David Bohm, On Creativity

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