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Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by whatshisface »

kelnos wrote: post #24
groundlogic wrote: post #12

I don't think HN is immune to these kinds of CCP ops.

I doubt HN is even on the CCP's radar. Not only are we a low-value target, we're much harder to subvert.

If HN's view of itself is even 1% accurate, then hundreds of current and future billionares hang out here. ;)

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by tmux314 »

Good on Twitter and Facebook.

On top of blocking thousands of websites (which includes Facebook, Google, Twitter) China's government employs thousands of government employees just to purge even the most mild criticism of the CCP on Weibo [1]. They also employ tens of thousands to export their propaganda overseas, using sock puppet accounts to push their worldview[2]. And their worldview is fiercely anti-democratic.

The Internet cannot remain free if we allow governments to use their power to control narratives and suppress the truth. US-based Social media companies are not ideal judges, but at least they publish their methodology and allow public criticism of their platforms.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sina_Weibo#Censorship [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by sephamorr »

If you'd like to read a well researched book on the subversive goals of the CCP, I suggest you read "Silent Invasion"[1]. Note that there some critical reviews of this book, suggesting it's connecting dots where there isn't true motive, but little criticism of the evidence presented. I encourage you to read it and make up your own mind and draw your own narrative around the facts.

[1]https://www.amazon.com/Silent-Invasion-Chinas-Influence-Aust...

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by Chirael »

kelnos wrote: post #24
groundlogic wrote: post #12

I don't think HN is immune to these kinds of CCP ops.

I doubt HN is even on the CCP's radar. Not only are we a low-value target, we're much harder to subvert.

Probably true. But I notice, not infrequently, that stuff which is posted to HN ends up showing up on other news sites a day or two later. So I get the feeling some reporters/writers mine HN for content/ideas regularly which would make it more of an influencer and thus attractive. But still probably unlikely TBH.

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by meerita »

> Covert, manipulative behaviors have no place on our service

While I celebrate this from them to kill manipulation, this sentence can be applied to their own bias towards conservative people who get banned and progressive don't, even saying worse things or using the service on massive organization to take down accounts. If both parties do harm, they should be take down. But both Twitter and Facebook do enormous efforts to shutdown voices. Including Google and Youtube.

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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Post by sephamorr »

rjf72 wrote: post #38

This seems like a very slippery slope. Recently Jackie Chan and Liu Yifei are a couple of higher profile individuals have expressed support for the mainland or condemnation of the protesters' riotous behavior. Jackie Chan is a Hong Kong national - Lieu Yifei is Chinese American. The reason that this is relevant is because we live in the day and age where holding the wrong opinion is increasingly frequently grounds fo…

I just looked through Jackie Chan's movies for the past few years, and they're almost exclusively produced by mainland Chinese film companies. I understand he's a Hong Kong national, but it seems that he is toeing the line for the movie industry he's working for. Considering how the Chinese have cracked down on Cathay Pacific (forcing them to fire employees who have participated in the protests), I doubt a mainland movie star could get away with saying anything else.

Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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rjf72 wrote: post #38

This seems like a very slippery slope. Recently Jackie Chan and Liu Yifei are a couple of higher profile individuals have expressed support for the mainland or condemnation of the protesters' riotous behavior. Jackie Chan is a Hong Kong national - Lieu Yifei is Chinese American. The reason that this is relevant is because we live in the day and age where holding the wrong opinion is increasingly frequently grounds fo…

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