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SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

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Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

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Sure we'll pay you, but the only place you can shop is the company store.

No. There's no requirement they invest the loans in the Vision Fund. Nor is there a requirement to take out the loan. We already see something similar at law firms - partnership in a firm means literally buying into it, and one of the perks you receive at many law firms is the ability to take out a loan at favorable rates, particularly to help with said buying in.

I haven't heard of "partners" anteing up (paying) to become partners before - if you think about it this would favour "Tim nice but dim" with a rich mummy and daddy.

Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

#52

Bad idea: Being dependent on a single company for your salary while also holding mostly that company's stock in your investment portfolio. Worse idea: Also investing in that same company's highly risky VC fund. Worst idea: Borrowing money to do so.

Softbank's deals - Sprint, WeWork, and now this - make me question their financial intelligence.

Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

#53
there's reason to believe SoftBank is gonna go "boom", and in a big way:

- they have tons of illiquid assets (equity in startups and early stage companies - hard to shed - see later)

- SoftBank Vision Fund "borrows" from its huge illiquid assets (Uber + other SV stuff) in order to make the market by throwing around insane amounts of cash ($billions); in other words, they make their own markets in order to pump up their valuations but the underlying thing is fantasy-land VC goop (see any problems here?);

- the only way to shed many of these assets are with buyouts or IPOs and the most recent ones haven't been great (the 'big names' of which [UBER, LYFT] were treated like hot garbage even shorted by IPO underwriters in case of UBER) so it's not like this garbage can be punted to someone else

- SoftBank routinely sells assets to its Vision Fund and uses shady stuff like this in order to provide non-standard accounting; we have no idea what their financial health is due to a maze of non-standard reporting

- SoftBank owns over half (!!) of Japanese corporate bonds

- they have insane amounts of debt - "¥15.7tn ($143bn) of interest-bearing debt and ¥27tn of total liabilities, far greater than its ¥11.6tn market capitalisation"

as best i can tell this is approaching Ponzi territory. once more greater fools wake up to the fact that VC isn't all the rage, get the hell out of the way of anything that SoftBank touches.

Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

#54

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>Because you can't just take corporate cash and invest it in a private equity fund. Fiduciary duty requires low risk products, and liquidity. I call bullshit. Specifically, what you wrote is not remotely true under US law or under Japanese law. A company's managers have very broad leeway to spend the company's cash however they like. In fact, if the cash, treasuries, corporate paper, etc, of a company starts to pile…

can't as in "that asset class does not meet the risk and liquidity requirements for cash management in general" not can't as in "de-facto illegal." dereliction of fiduciary duty is illegal, of course the circumstances matter. I think you are conflating capex + investments with overall cash management. They already invest a lot in the vision fund. This is a way for them to route more money into the vision fund on top…

This isn't dereliction of fiduciary duty. It's not illegal for a company to go bankrupt or to spend all of it's money on highly risky investments and lose it all as long as it is done in good faith, and there aren't any magical guidelines for risk and liquidity requirements that companies have to accept legally. Management can do whatever they think is the best thing to do for the firm that doesn't break the law.

Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

#55

Bad idea: Being dependent on a single company for your salary while also holding mostly that company's stock in your investment portfolio. Worse idea: Also investing in that same company's highly risky VC fund. Worst idea: Borrowing money to do so.

So what superlative do we use when the entity you are borrowing money from is the same company you are investing that money back into!?!?? Most worst? überbad? Ponzi?

Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. There's no requirement they invest the loans in the Vision Fund. Nor is there a requirement to take out the loan. We already see something similar at law firms - partnership in a firm means literally buying into it, and one of the perks you receive at many law firms is the ability to take out a loan at favorable rates, particularly to help with said buying in.

I haven't heard of "partners" anteing up (paying) to become partners before - if you think about it this would favour "Tim nice but dim" with a rich mummy and daddy.

You sort of have to pay to become a partner to buy your equity share, that's just how it works, and as the other poster said, you can get a loan from the partnership to pay for your partnership buy in

Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

#57

there's reason to believe SoftBank is gonna go "boom", and in a big way: - they have tons of illiquid assets (equity in startups and early stage companies - hard to shed - see later) - SoftBank Vision Fund "borrows" from its huge illiquid assets (Uber + other SV stuff) in order to make the market by throwing around insane amounts of cash ($billions); in other words, they make their own markets in order to pump up the…

I don't think softbank owns half of Japanese corporate bonds. It may be that its bonds account for over half the market.

Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

#58
post #52

Bad idea: Being dependent on a single company for your salary while also holding mostly that company's stock in your investment portfolio. Worse idea: Also investing in that same company's highly risky VC fund. Worst idea: Borrowing money to do so.

Softbank's deals - Sprint, WeWork, and now this - make me question their financial intelligence.

Their last Uber investment is under water... wouldn't be surprised if the $2b in WeWork stock they purchased is crushed as well at IPO time -- but at least they didn't follow through with the $8b they initially promised to Adam.

Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

#59

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I haven't heard of "partners" anteing up (paying) to become partners before - if you think about it this would favour "Tim nice but dim" with a rich mummy and daddy.

You sort of have to pay to become a partner to buy your equity share, that's just how it works, and as the other poster said, you can get a loan from the partnership to pay for your partnership buy in

I checked that and I don't see that requirement for Goldman Sachs or any other partnership set up - the potential for corruption and nepotism is huge if its pay to play.

Some form of coops Mondragon for example do but that is a very different type of employment.

Re: SoftBank plans to lend $20B to its CEO and employees amid volatile markets

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Not OP but here's one way: Softbank invests in Uber India pushing up automobile demand[1]. Indian drivers buy cars manufactured by Maruti Suzuki (54% market share [2]). Maruti Suzuki is a JV between an Indian company (Maruti) and Suzuki (Japan) where-in Maruti pays 6% of sales as royalty for design and other facilities. In addition, you have to realize that Japan exports $35b of auto parts and $101b of automobiles [4…

Exactly.

lol
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