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Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by Dirlewanger »

King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

I used to think the same thing (I still do on principle, but...): The epitome of wanton American capitalism and excess. Every suburban family has one, whether they "need" it or not. Then I started paying a lot more attention to car crashes, in particular this one that happened recently (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRxup0WhMo&feature=youtu.be, skip to 2:20 for the crash). A sedan utterly obliterated by a pickup going 90 mph. Made me realize one of the reasons why people have been moving away from them, because of shit like this. Despite the increased cost of maintenance and gas, I think my next vehicle will be something with a bit more size for more impact absorption.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by rjdagost »

icelancer wrote: post #74
acd wrote: post #28

Toyota and Volkswagen will make more affordable higher quality main stream electric cars.

This assumes those companies will solve the energy storage issue in a reasonable amount of time. I wouldn't be so sure of that. Tesla does a lot of shit wrong, but Musk is ahead of people RE: batteries and energy storage importance. I am reminded of Bezos saying that their headstart in AWS with no viable competitor for years and years on end is what catapulted Amazon to what it is today. Tesla has a shot of making th…

Serious question- what is Tesla's technological advantage with batteries? I always hear people say that Tesla batteries are above and beyond all competitors, and then I read articles like this which make me doubt that claim: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7364605/Tes...

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Post by Traster »

icelancer wrote: post #74
acd wrote: post #28

Toyota and Volkswagen will make more affordable higher quality main stream electric cars.

This assumes those companies will solve the energy storage issue in a reasonable amount of time. I wouldn't be so sure of that. Tesla does a lot of shit wrong, but Musk is ahead of people RE: batteries and energy storage importance. I am reminded of Bezos saying that their headstart in AWS with no viable competitor for years and years on end is what catapulted Amazon to what it is today. Tesla has a shot of making th…

I don't understand how the batteries can be the competitive advantage when it's Panasonic producing the batteries.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by iddqd »

threeseed wrote: post #11
7472697374616E wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And compete with the vast network of superchargers Tesla's already established for themselves...

Electrify America is rolling out their own supercharger equivalent. And in fact will soon have more 350kw chargers than Tesla.

Tesla owners will have access to both networks.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by thefounder »

alexkiritz wrote: post #52
threeseed wrote: post #7

Terrible article: 1) It's only about the US. 2) Tesla's big seller is the Model 3 which isn't a competitor for the Audi e-tron and I-Pace. And given the size difference probably isn't a competitor for the Model X either. 3) No one is claiming to be a Tesla killer since no one really has direct 3, X, S, Y competitors. The existing car companies are all off doing their own thing e.g. VW ID.3 (hatchback), Hyundai Kona (…

Do you seriously think most people who buy larger cars now actually need them? Of course not. People do cross comparisons and generally prefer the Model 3 for a variety of reasons. And it's cheaper.

Yeah but what they need is a 2 door electric Smart car not a model 3, right?

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Post by Proven »

varjag wrote: post #9
threeseed wrote: post #7

Terrible article: 1) It's only about the US. 2) Tesla's big seller is the Model 3 which isn't a competitor for the Audi e-tron and I-Pace. And given the size difference probably isn't a competitor for the Model X either. 3) No one is claiming to be a Tesla killer since no one really has direct 3, X, S, Y competitors. The existing car companies are all off doing their own thing e.g. VW ID.3 (hatchback), Hyundai Kona (…

They are aimed at the same crowd who buy models X&S, and they didn't have much a dent yet here in Norway as well.

That might be because Teslas seem relatively easy to set on fire that burns for a long time - that may be of interest to Electric Car owners in Norway (in the case you get stuck and it's cold)

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Post by pmorici »

threeseed wrote: post #7

Terrible article: 1) It's only about the US. 2) Tesla's big seller is the Model 3 which isn't a competitor for the Audi e-tron and I-Pace. And given the size difference probably isn't a competitor for the Model X either. 3) No one is claiming to be a Tesla killer since no one really has direct 3, X, S, Y competitors. The existing car companies are all off doing their own thing e.g. VW ID.3 (hatchback), Hyundai Kona (…

When Tesla's competitors stop designing and electric car and start designing a really great car that just happens to be electric then Tesla will have competition. Until then all the supposed Tesla competitors will be a joke.

For example it was recently reported that the Jaguar I-pace requires that you drive 17 MPH with the climate control off to achieve the manufacture specified range per charge. [0] They have 6 months worth of unsold inventory sitting on dealer lots in the US.

Tesla's strength is in getting market share from buyers who first and foremost want a great car. Everyone else is targeting suckers willing to make decisions contrary to their economic interest to show they care about the environment.

[0] https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/13/jaguar-i-pace-sales-hav...

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Post by magicalhippo »

rlpb wrote: post #97
gibolt wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Range anxiety is definitely a thing, especially if you've never driven an EV and have heard it exists. The issue is a non-issue for most Tesla buyers who have home charging. The situation will hopefully resolve itself unquestionably in the next 2-3 years.

As a potential EV buyer, what concerns me is that a quoted 200 mile range sounds more like a 100 mile range after five years (so an older battery) in winter (when I'll want heating). That would limit me to driving only 50 miles from my home without having to alter my plans around charging, and I would want to add some contingency so perhaps that'd end up being 30 miles in practice. Feel free to tell me that I'm being…

My BMW i3 has an 8 year 80% battery warranty. Tesla does very well with their battery management. Leaf is not so great, but far from 50% at 5 years unless you mistreat it AFAIK.

Yes, winter will reduce range. I had a worst-case trip this year, it was around -18 C outside and I had not had a chance to pre-heat the batteries. Car was 99% charged, showing 200 km range initially. After some 135 km the car showed about 10 km range left, when I finally got to a charger. This was with two passengers, both front seat heaters on, as well as the cabin heater working hard.

If we assume the estimated range left is somewhat accurate, that's about 63% the typical summer range of about 230 km. Had I preheated the batteries it would have been better, though I don't have any numbers.

Resale value is something I worry about too. That's part of the reason I went with an i3 rather than a more expensive Model 3. Though at least here in Norway, I expect EVs to be dominating soon, and with the price of gas I expect ICE resale value will take a hit.

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Post by srfilipek »

rumanator wrote: post #27
gibolt wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. Several of them are targeting Tesla owners with discounts, ads at superchargers, etc... The companies clearly think they are competing with Tesla, especially since they don't want to compete with themselves (ICE models). As for doing their own thing, most have a battery shortage…

> Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. The number of Nissan Leafs sold so far are close to twice the number of Tesla model Ss sold.

That's a really weird and selective comparison.

Tesla has sold 1.6x the number of Model 3's in the past 2 years than Nissan has sold Leaf's... ever.

Sources (US):

* 136K Leafs: http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/nissan/nissan-leaf...

* 223K Model 3s: http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/tesla/tesla-model-...

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by clouddrover »

srfilipek wrote: post #119
rumanator wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. The number of Nissan Leafs sold so far are close to twice the number of Tesla model Ss sold.

That's a really weird and selective comparison. Tesla has sold 1.6x the number of Model 3's in the past 2 years than Nissan has sold Leaf's... ever. Sources (US): * 136K Leafs: http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/nissan/nissan-leaf... * 223K Model 3s: http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/tesla/tesla-model-...

Those are only US sales. The Leaf has sold over 400,000 globally: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/287096-nissan-leaf-ev-40...
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